What the Heck?! Thread (Closed)

[plawolf]

That was after he was beat up by the police for literally doing nothing.

Given the state he was in at that point, bloodied, distressed and clearly confused, any half decent lawyer could convincingly argue he was not in any fit frame of mind to be held criminally responsible for anything.

Are you seriously trying to use things he did in his terrified and confused state, a state he was put into by the grossly excessive application of force (as effectively addmitted by the police officers' responsible' one department) by the police, as some kind of restrspective justification for the excessive and unecessary force in the first place?

 

[manqiangrexue]

My father blames 'Electronic Tickets' In short, in the days when regular tickets were issued there is a clause written in the documentation, giving the airline the right to withdraw the ticket.That appears to be missing with E Tickets. Had written proof t been shown to Mr Dao, he may not have been quite as stubborn.Anyway I would have asked younger passengers to give up their place.
Secondly assuming the other passengers that gave up their seats were not Asian, how can Mr Dao claim Asians were being picked on.

Sounds like a fair clause. They should also include a clause that says I can withdraw my money from the airline at any time for any reason. 20 minutes before the flight leaves but I just woke up at home with a hangover? Withdraw payment. Why should younger passengers be picked? How about raising the compensation (in real dollars, not credit) until you actually get 4 volunteers?

Dr. Dao made that claim because of the 4 passengers "randomly selected", 3 were Asian including himself. I'm assuming the flight wasn't 75% Asians...

 

[plawolf]

PS, anyone who claimed not overselling tickets would put airlines out of business clearly has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

If you bought a ticket and don't show up at last call, the airline doesn't give you a refund.

No shows have already bought and paid for their tickets, and the airlines not only loose no money from that, they in fact save money as flying with a lighter load means the journey uses less fuel.

Overbooking is profiteering plain and simple.

The very fact that it is allowed in the airline industry is an abomination, since that sort of BS is not tolerated in any other industry that I can think of.

 

[B.I.B.]

Interesting... you think beating up your customers is good business practice?

None of the witness said security beat Mr Dao up. He banged his head when struggling against being forcibly removed.

 

[manqiangrexue]

None of the witness said security beat Mr Dao up. He banged his head when struggling against being forcibly removed.

No, they banged his head as they dragged his face over a steal armrest. Even if he did do it to himself as he struggled against someone assaulting him, the blame falls squarely on the attacker.

 

[AssassinsMace]

My father blames 'Electronic Tickets' In short, in the days when regular tickets were issued there is a clause written in the documentation, giving the airline the right to withdraw the ticket.That appears to be missing with E Tickets. Had written proof t been shown to Mr Dao, he may not have been quite as stubborn.Anyway I would have asked younger passengers to give up their place.
Secondly assuming the other passengers that gave up their seats were not Asian, how can Mr Dao claim Asians were being picked on.

Well that's why there all this contradictory stuff out there. If you watch the video I posted earlier of two of the passengers being interviewed, they said the United attendant first came asking for volunteers and offered United Dollars as incentive. No one took it. The attendant then said they were going to randomly pick people. She didn't up and offer the max regulations allowed. She left and came back with seat numbers. She went to two different people before Dao and they apparently refused. The attendant then went to Dao and when he refused the attendant called the police and the rest is history.

United offered only "United Dollars" to passengers as incentive to voluntarily leave. United was suppose to offer cash. If they offered cash plus more after no one volunteered, someone certainly would've stepped-up. No one volunteering just for United Dollars say how much that was worth. For someone like me who doesn't fly much, it would probably be worthless because I heard that those United Dollars have an expiration date. The former head of the Department of Transportation said if they offered cash not United Dollars, there are always people that will take it especially if the amount goes up to the point where there are more people volunteering than they need.

 

[solarz]

None of the witness said security beat Mr Dao up. He banged his head when struggling against being forcibly removed.

Yeah, I guess Dao should be thankful he wasn't black. Otherwise they'd just shoot him first, then drag him out.

And if he had been muslim-looking, the passengers would have helped the cops, and the media would be labeling him a terrorist by now.

 

[kwaigonegin]

PS, anyone who claimed not overselling tickets would put airlines out of business clearly has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

If you bought a ticket and don't show up at last call, the airline doesn't give you a refund.

No shows have already bought and paid for their tickets, and the airlines not only loose no money from that, they in fact save money as flying with a lighter load means the journey uses less fuel.

Overbooking is profiteering plain and simple.

The very fact that it is allowed in the airline industry is an abomination, since that sort of BS is not tolerated in any other industry that I can think of.

Generally speaking you are correct however not all tickets are created equal. Many tickets have flexi dates so a person not showing up doesn't mean an assumed profit for the airline. This is even more so if that individual is a high flyer, elite member status etc.

Anyway not saying I defend the UA in this case.. I don't.. they and the CAD officer are scumbags for doing this to that passenger!

I likely would've reacted the same way had it been me in similar circumstance whereby I needed to get somewhere ASAP and cannot delay my travel plans.

 

[solarz]

Generally speaking you are correct however not all tickets are created equal. Many tickets have flexi dates so a person not showing up doesn't mean an assumed profit for the airline. This is even more so if that individual is a high flyer, elite member status etc.

Anyway not saying I defend the UA in this case.. I don't.. they and the CAD officer are scumbags for doing this to that passenger!

I likely would've reacted the same way had it been me in similar circumstance whereby I needed to get somewhere ASAP and cannot delay my travel plans.

The issue is not even overbooking. It wasn't an overbooked flight, they wanted to make room for 4 UA employees. And that's not even the issue.

The issue is how UA and the police handled the situation. They turned what was a business dispute into a violent assault.

That's like if I have a purchase dispute with a store, and the store owner calls in mall security to beat me up. It doesn't matter what the dispute was about.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Dr. Dao made that claim because of the 4 passengers "randomly selected", 3 were Asian including himself. I'm assuming the flight wasn't 75% Asians...

citation?