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solarz

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Apparently the doctor is Vietnamese-American. Regardless of what race or ethnicity he is, he shouldn't be treated that way. If this incident were to happen in China the media would blame it on the CPC or Communist Chinese culture for lack of compassion and "human rights"...blah, blah, blah...you get the idea.

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Dao sounds more like a Chinese surname than Vietnamese. He could be ethnic Chinese from Vietnam.
 

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I think this article missed the most important factor. This wasn't just an airline issue. This was also a police brutality issue.

The Chicago police decided to assault a man who had broken no laws, simply because the airline told them to.

If this was a Greyhound Bus, would the police have dragged this man off? I find it far more likely that the police would instead tell the driver that this man is breaking no laws, and has paid his fare, so just do your damn job and get him to where he wants to go already!

Instead, because this happened on an airplane, where we've had 16 years of conditioning since 9/11, where we were forced to give up our rights from the moment we enter an airport to the moment we leave it, all in the name of security, the airline staff felt entitled to call the police on any passenger who refused to be bullied, and the police felt entitled to act not as representatives of the Law, but as security goons for a coporate entity.

This incident was a long time coming, and if things don't change, we will see far worse.
 

B.I.B.

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It is absurd to "deplane" someone because the aircraft is oversold. IIRC selling more tickets then there are seat was introduced in the 1960's because there were "always" travellers not arriving on time or not at all. It took many years before travellers had a right to compensation for the time they had lost and the cost of a hotel room. The EU introduced rules on that some twenty(?) years ago.
The company would have saved money by employing a business jet for its four employees.

OT better still, buy them a greyhound bus ticket. I don't think this is a stupid idea as it may seem. While driving around Canada I got passed by a truck carrying what looked like a new train carriage
 

taxiya

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It was reported the flight was not even overbooked.
The fact that the 4 vacated seats were given to UA employees rather than other paid passengers is clear to defeat the "overbooking" excuse. UA tries to use "overbooking" to spin and mislead. That passenger, his representative and supporting medias should clearly and loudly reject the "overbooking" narrative.
 

taxiya

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I have never been price conscious when it comes to who I fly with.My first choice is Emirates. I never take my laptop with me, so not being able to them on board as hand luggage is not a disincentive to fly with the airline. I make up for the more expensive ticket with the free alcohol. Funny that eh, a middle eastern airline plying its passengers with free alcohol like it was going out of fashion.
I flew with Emirates once. Their flight attendants are polite and nice, aircraft is new and fresh like 4 star hotel. The only and a big problem is that they delayed my flight for a day so that I was put in a 4 star hotel in London. Although I was taken care of very well by the airline, I still preferred being on time. In any way, they are way better than UA bullying passengers, who is paying whom really.
 

taxiya

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A Yahoo financial analyst on a video said that United stock wasn't affected the Monday this story went viral. But the stock value did drop the day after when the news caught up in China. It also seems strange how the Western media are trying to clarify Dao's ethnicity. Clearly they want him to be Vietnamese when Dao supposedly charge he was being singled out for being Chinese. Is it because they know it could affect United's business in China?
It doesn't matter the ethnicity that these media tries to spin. BBC reported the matter was a big hit in Vietnam too, though Vietnam is a much smaller market, so the spin may help. But I don't think Chinese care that much of exactly which East Asian ethnicity the victim is, an East Asian being bullied reminded every East Asian that they can be the next just because of the face.

A background information from that BBC report. Doctor Dao told the passenger sitting next to him that he was from Vietnam. He shouted "... because I am Chinese". He apparently is a Chinese Vietnamese who migrated to the US in the 1960/1970s. There are lots of them in US and Europe. That's why I don't think spinning him being Vietnamese is going to satisfy the Chinese in China.
 

taxiya

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Dao sounds more like a Chinese surname than Vietnamese. He could be ethnic Chinese from Vietnam.
As I said in post #2676, according to BBC, he apparently was a Chinese Vietnamese, now a Chinese American.

Here is what wiki says about his family name,
Đào is a
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It is almost impossible to tell Vietnamese from Chinese by family names as almost all Vietnamese family names are related (borrowed, taken or immigrated) to Chinese family names. Some Vietnamese family name is privilent in Vietnam such as
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阮 (39%), but it is not rare in China. While Dao(陶) is uncommon in Vietnam but very common in China.
 

AssassinsMace

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It doesn't matter the ethnicity that these media tries to spin. BBC reported the matter was a big hit in Vietnam too, though Vietnam is a much smaller market, so the spin may help. But I don't think Chinese care that much of exactly which East Asian ethnicity the victim is, an East Asian being bullied reminded every East Asian that they can be the next just because of the face.

A background information from that BBC report. Doctor Dao told the passenger sitting next to him that he was from Vietnam. He shouted "... because I am Chinese". He apparently is a Chinese Vietnamese who migrated to the US in the 1960/1970s. There are lots of them in US and Europe. That's why I don't think spinning him being Vietnamese is going to satisfy the Chinese in China.

Yes and that's why I find the Western media trying to clarify his ethnicity as strange. Normally they wouldn't care in such a situation especially with Dao being the victim. All of the sudden they're reporting what ethnicity he is and specifically not Chinese? So it can only be because of the news hitting China and they don't want a billion people mobilized to hurt an American business based on Dao misidentified as Chinese. The initial reaction by United happens to be the ultimate goal of TPP. It's corporate rights over anyone else's rights. It's scary that a billion people in a country where American corporations don't control the message can be angry at them. TPP would eliminate that worry because corporations can sue countries that hurt their "expected" profits due to politics. And yes TPP was all about China and its eventual participation in it. And the whole THAAD in South Korea controversy wouldn't be happening either if TPP had reached its ultimate goals.
 
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taxiya

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Yes and that's why I find the Western media trying to clarify his ethnicity as strange. Normally they wouldn't care in such a situation especially with Dao being the victim. All of the sudden they're reporting what ethnicity he is and specifically not Chinese? So it can only be because of the news hitting China and they don't want a billion people mobilized to hurt an American business based on Dao misidentified as Chinese. The initial reaction by United happens to be the ultimate goal of TPP. It's corporate rights over anyone else's rights. It's scary that a billion people in a country where American corporations don't control the message can be angry at them. TPP would eliminate that worry because corporations can sue countries that hurt their "expected" profits due to politics. And yes TPP was all about China and its eventual participation in it. And the whole THAAD in South Korea controversy wouldn't be happening either if TPP had reached its ultimate goals.
That is another evident that these medias do not care the real wrongdoing, they are only "sorry" when hammer hit their heads (the possible boycott from China), they just love money and afraid of losing money.

UA is off my list at least for now, until Doctor Dao is satisfied with a final settlement.
 

B.I.B.

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That is another evident that these medias do not care the real wrongdoing, they are only "sorry" when hammer hit their heads (the possible boycott from China), they just love money and afraid of losing money.

UA is off my list at least for now, until Doctor Dao is satisfied with a final settlement.

Hmmm Dao might not get as much as he might like. New video records him telling the police that he would rather go to jail then get off the plane.He then is heard to tell the police that he was okay with being dragged off the plane before it happened.Maybe he saw an opportunity to score big time even if it mean't getting roughed up a little.

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ut video showing what led to the shocking act adds a surprising twist to the scandalous story.

he clip, recorded by a woman sitting behind Dao, shows him talking on the phone while being asked to leave the aircraft by police.

He refuses, saying: "I won't go. I'm a physician, have to work tomorrow at 8 o'clock."

Dao is heard to say he will "make a lawsuit against United Airlines" and adamantly refuses to give up his seat.

A police officer says to Dao: "I have to drag you. You know how this is going to end up happening, right?"



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A clearly angry Dao says the officer can drag him from the flight, and that he'd rather go to jail.

"You can drag me then, I don't go. I'm staying. You'll have to drag me," he said.

While the officer explains to Dao that not co-operating will make things "a lot harder for you", Dao interjects saying "I'd rather go to jail".

Confused, the cop questions Dao, seeking to clarify what he has said.

"You'd rather go to jail than just get off the plane?" he asks.

"Yeah," Dao is heard to reply.

Before the clip cuts out Dao is heard complaining that he has travelled "almost 24 hours" coming from LA, and protests further.

Dao is then dragged from his seat by police officers, sustaining injuries to his face.

The Elizabethtown man has hired a legal team and a lawsuit against United Airlines is expected.

After drawing criticism by claiming the passenger was "disruptive and belligerent", United chief executive Oscar Munoz later issued Dao a grovelling apology.

The embattled CEO has appeared on US TV overnight in full damage control.

"You saw us at a bad moment and it can never and will never happen again on a United Airlines flight and that's my promise," Munoz told Good Morning America.

Asked what he thought when he first saw the footage, he said: "The word shame comes to mind".

"That is not who are family at United is."

Munoz said the company would no longer use law enforcement officers to remove passengers from overbooked flights.
 
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