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plawolf said:
Being pro-China does not mean agreeing with absolutely everything China does. I have been critical of Chinese government policy when I believe it to be wrong, and freely admit that there is plenty of room for improvement in terms of the role of government and how important decisions should be made. A position, btw, which is also shared by the Chinese government itself, who often stresses the importance of the Party aka government, being able to constantly adapt and improve.

Interestingly, it's hard to find anyone from the west who would take such a stance when it comes to the Holy Trinity or Democracy, freedoms, and capitalism.

It is also worthwhile to note that censorship is entirely different from deliberate lies and misinformation.

It is actually pretty hard to find examples where the Chinese central state media has outright lied. You may disagree with the conclusions they reached, but in terms of factual or reports accuracy, I would take Chinese state media over the likes of the BBC or CNN any day.



There is a world of different from editorial bias, where commentators choose to interpret stories and facts in a certain way, and flat out lying about the basic facts themselves.

If you report the facts and then interpret it as you wish, at least the general public has the choice and chance to make up their own minds on their own views and feelings about the facts of the story.

OTOH, if the basic facts of the story is wrong or even pure made up BS, then the public doesn't even get to make up their own minds.

For example, if reporters found a bunch of bullet ridden bodies in a part of Aleppo that had recently been captured by Asssad's forces. Reporting that bullet ridden bodies had been found, and then presenting an argument on how you think they were civilians and not fighters, and why you think Assad's forces executed them is how that story should be been run if you have an anti-Assad bent but still care about professionalism and ethics.

OTOH, claiming that a large number of civilians were executed by Assad's forces, and then focusing the commentary on discussing how the west could intervene is going to fundamentally change what conclusions the vast majority of viewers might take away from that piece of news.

Also, its a pretty ridiculous and arrogant to make such a sweeping argument as there is no balanced reporting in China.

The censors only gets involved in sensitive topics. For the vast majority of stories without any political implications (which is the majority of stories), the censors don't care and Chinese reporters are free to report as they like.

Indeed, most negative stories the western media report on China actually are first reported by Chinese domestic reporters.

The Chinese censors were happy to let them report on those negative stories until the western media picked the stories up and started to use them as propaganda against China to further their own agendas.

A major reason why a lot of Chinese people don't want to talk to western reporters is because the Chinese people are not stupid. They know that western reporters in China couldn't care less about their plight and trying to help them resolve the grievance they have, and only want to exploit them to write another piece about how bad the Chinese government is.

Surprise surprise, that the people who's situations get exploited so are far less likely to see their grievence addressed, as Chinese government officials who might have looked sympathetically on their plight based on the bare facts are going to interpret them in an entirely different light with western reporters using the story to bad mouth China and challenge the legitimacy of a he Chinese government itself.
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Having lived here in the U.K. for the past 14 years I could not agree more, will come back to this topic when I have more time.
 
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delft said:
BBC Radio4 just said that the Russian ambassador in Ankara has been shot and killed and other people were injured.
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Perpetrator was a cop and got shot by the Turkish special police after that. Where were the ambassador's body guards? I saw it on CCTV the poor guy was lying dead meanwhile the shooter was yelling "Allah Ackba....remember Allepo...remember Syria".:eek::(

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Jura said:
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Berlin police: 9 dead, at least 50 injured in truck crash
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My condolences to the victims families.:(
 
plawolf

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delft said:
I think few of the thousands of diplomats in the World have body guards. There are few attacks on them and they would find it more difficult to do their work: talking to people in the country they work.
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I don't know, US high ranking dimplates have security 24/7 even when they are in the US. And this is the ambassador, its not like just anyone would even get to see him, and anyone who does would expect a certain level of security, so it hardly be a hinderence to have adequate security with him.

You would think Russia would also have such measures for a high risk mission like Turkey, where terrorist attacks are getting ever more frequent; it is a well-known transit route and even training base for terrorists and Jihadists (that Russia is actively bombing); neighbours a major war zone; and has a population that has a lot of sympathisers and even active participants in the Syrian concflict.

If there was one mission in the world where Russian diplomats were at serious risk (other than Syria itself) it would be Turkey.

No matter how you cut it, this was a massive security and intelligence failure on the part of the Russians to leave one of their top diplomats so exposed in such an obvious high-threat environment.

It was also (and moreso) a failure that Turkey did not have adequate security arrangements in place, since protection of foreign diplomats is usually the responsibility of the host nation. Even the US, which insists on a marine detachment for most, if not all it's missions, has local police acting as the first line of defence for their embassies.

Although given who the assassin was, and the recent coup attempt and subsequent purges, one cannot help but suspect the Turkish security failure was more than just a lack of foresight and incompetence.

Turkey is fast destabilising.
 
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The Man who did the killing was a Officer of the Turkish Police, He was dressed in a Black suit and tie and used what appeared to be a Canik TP9 55 Compact. Given his background manor of dress, and that the weapon he used is pretty much standard issue for Turkish police as well as the way he was acting before the incident IE getting photographed before the incident in the background behind the Ambassador I would not be surprised if he was posing as part of the protective detail.
Edit: One of the reports I have just read pretty much confirmed my assessment he used his credentials to get in and set himself up to look like part of security.
 
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I just read in The "Independent" that there was there was security but that they allowed this man in because of the police ID.
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There had been heavy security around Mr Karlov’s presence at the art gallery, but, according to one of the guards, the gunman had entered by showing a police ID card and saying that he was an officer in the public order department.
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US diplomats are indeed heavily protected. Even in the Netherlands the US embassy looks like a bunker unlike all other embassies.
 
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