What should China do when Japan & US conduct biggest ever military drill?

captonjohn

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Bltizo said:
People criticize China's maritime drills all the (friggin) time!

Whenever they hold exercises the media says something along the lines of "Oh China's stirring up trouble again," and some high ranking US official or commander expresses sadness/wariness.
The difference is that china's obviously holding drills because they're preparing to invade anyone within a five thousand kilometer radius and whenever other nations do it, it's to secure the peace or deter "belligerent" (or some other word synonymous to that) states, or retain the "balance of power".

Meanwhile other countries constantly hold their exercises which are too many for me to count... you know, ones like RIMPAC, Cobra Gold or whatever it's called, etc etc. And these barely get any mention at all... :(


And if the PLA felt it needed to "intefere" with these exercises I'm sure they could do a fly past with one of their few maritime patrol craft or send a flight of flankers or J-10s on patrol. Or maybe dispatch a submarine to surface within torpedo distance of a USN supercarrier :O
I personally feel that the PLAN may've sent a submarine to at least observe these exercises this time. Too good an opportunity to miss.
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What they're preparing to invade anyone within a five thousand kilometer radius means?

Isn't it a Nazi type of philosophy? This mean that china has a intention to invade Russia, India, and whole asia as well as half of the globe in earth. And you says this is a normal preparation?

China can't take any risk to involve in direct conflict with US, Russia or India because it will ultimately harm its economy as well as whole world economy would sink. Talk logically because your statement is too exaggerating.

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captonjohn said:
What they're preparing to invade anyone within a five thousand kilometer radius means?

Isn't it a Nazi type of philosophy? This mean that china has a intention to invade Russia, India, and whole asia as well as half of the globe in earth. And you says this is a normal preparation?

China can't take any risk to involve in direct conflict with US, Russia or India because it will ultimately harm its economy as well as whole world economy would sink. Talk logically because your statement is too exaggerating.
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Bltizo is not saying what you think he is. He is NOT saying China is "preparing to invade...". Rather, he is claiming the foreign media paints things this way.

Yes, he is exaggerating, but there's no need to talk about Nazis in this discussion.
 
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tphuang said:
A lot of it has to do with America. Now, I'm saying all of this as someone that lives in America and want the best for myself in the future. America is at a stage where the debt burden in the country has exceeded all level of sanity. In the coming years, America will have to make the painful choice of making huge cuts in its budget. And there will be debates over whether the cuts should be in health care or wealth transfer or education or energy or defense or intelligence services. If they make the kind of across the board cuts that I'm in favour of, America will have no choice but to adopt a more humble foreign policy. A lot of things could happen in 10 years, but there will be a point in the future when it will become obvious to ASEAN countries that this is a sphere that has permanently tilted to China's country. Not all of the countries will like it. If you look at the Western hemisphere, there are numerous countries that have elected anti-American leaders. That will obviously happen to China too.

Now as for China's policy toward Japan and South Korea. They are going to have to get a lot more level headed. You can't have Chinese fisherman going to other countries' waters and butting heads with their coast guard.
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Very good. And actually, I think China is trying to make the turn which you suggest, by trying to repair recently frayed relations in East Asia.

I read a very interesting opinion piece in china.org.cn about a month ago. The author basically argued that China should carefully distinguish between the US on the one hand, and its neighbors, who, for natural and historical reasons have all kinds of territorial disputes with China. In the US, there are forces that would like to change China's internal arrangements, to see "regime change", or to "stop" China's rise. China's neighbors do not, in general, harbor a political agenda. For the most part, they are pragmatic, and don't much care what sort of "system" other countries have.

As to your comparison with Latin America, you may have a point as well, but I would just like to point out that this is a fairly defective mirror. There is no real symmetry here. In general, countries in Latin America do not have territorial disputes with the US, or at least they do not pursue them. This situation is more or less the reverse of the situation around China, because the problems between the US and some of it's neighbors to the South (actually, at some level, it is the majority of them) are fundamentally political. What is at issue is basically one of American disagreement with internal policies, economic, political and social, which various Latin American countries want to pursue. American policies toward Latin America are as "un-Asian" as its policies in East Asia.
 
bladerunner

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captonjohn said:
What they're preparing to invade anyone within a five thousand kilometer radius means?

Isn't it a Nazi type of philosophy? This mean that china has a intention to invade Russia, India, and whole asia as well as half of the globe in earth. And you says this is a normal preparation?

China can't take any risk to involve in direct conflict with US, Russia or India because it will ultimately harm its economy as well as whole world economy would sink. Talk logically because your statement is too exaggerating.
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Although I cant say for sure whether Napoleon ever wore a naval uniform for ceromonial purposes, your avatar does have some slight resemblence to him;)
 
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captonjohn

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Red Moon said:
Bltizo is not saying what you think he is. He is NOT saying China is "preparing to invade...". Rather, he is claiming the foreign media paints things this way.

Yes, he is exaggerating, but there's no need to talk about Nazis in this discussion.
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If foreign media is propagating this and creating miscommunication between India and China then don't you think that India and china should work on increase in cultural contact along with trade? Attract indian tourist to china and chinese tourist to india so that this would change the view of people and they'll know more about both nation?:eek:ff
 
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captonjohn said:
If foreign media is propagating this and creating miscommunication between India and China then don't you think that India and china should work on increase in cultural contact along with trade? Attract indian tourist to china and chinese tourist to india so that this would change the view of people and they'll know more about both nation?:eek:ff
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Of course!
 
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captonjohn said:
What they're preparing to invade anyone within a five thousand kilometer radius means?

Isn't it a Nazi type of philosophy? This mean that china has a intention to invade Russia, India, and whole asia as well as half of the globe in earth. And you says this is a normal preparation?

China can't take any risk to involve in direct conflict with US, Russia or India because it will ultimately harm its economy as well as whole world economy would sink. Talk logically because your statement is too exaggerating.
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Yeah when I said that I was obviously being sarcastic -- but unfortunately a vast fraction of western media hype on about the china threat and a large fraction of the western population believe them.
 
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bladerunner

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Bltizo said:
Yeah when I said that I was obviously being sarcastic -- but unfortunately a vast fraction of western media hype on about the china threat and a large fraction of the western population believe them.
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With visions of becoming the worlds foremost power at some stage, China and her supporters have to get use to the idea of China bashing and called a A.H.
After all the same thing happened to the UK and U.S. during their time at the top.
 
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tphuang said:
This argument doesn't really work, right? Soviet and US were in a stage of cold war. I know I have been out of the loop recently, but I don't believe China and US have reached that stage yet. The largest confrontations that China and US have right now are all commerce or foreign country related.

Having your navy right next to the doorstep of one of your largest trading partners without their consent is clearly a very aggressive action. In peace time, if US navy routinely sends ships to 15 nm off the coast of Brazil or India or South Africa, that would clearly be a provocative action. If there are constantly Chinese ships 15 nm off the coast of Cali, FoxNews and the right leaning media would all be calling for retaliatory actions. We'd have congressman and senators threatening actions against China. Heck, even when a Chinese company tried to set up a steel plant in America, we have local congressman asking for investigations. Do you really think they'd tolerate seeing Chinese ships that close to US soil? This is not the cold war anymore.

As for what should China do? It should just continue it's process of developing its economy, building its industrial base and building its navy. The more it spouts off, the more it pisses off its neighbours. Now, I do think eventually China will get strong enough that this would not be tolerated anymore. But China would have to wait a few more years for neighbouring countries to look at it as the natural leader of the region rather than looking at USA for directions. China will get there, but it won't get there by having its foreign minister telling nations around it that China is a large nation and they should listen to it. When Hilary Clinton told Cambodia that it needs a more balanced policy and should not become overly reliant on China, it clearly did not get received it Cambodia as well as the message would be received in Vietnam or Malaysia. Imo, she sounded pretty stupid. And China has sounded pretty stupid numerous times this year when it overplayed its strength a few years too early. It needs to go back, continue to build its economy, have the trust of its neighbours. The neighbouring countries will slowly give more ground to China over time. And there is nothing USA or Japan can do about that.
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Here is the flaw in your argument. Under international law, no nation needs any sort of permission to sail 15 miles off of any other nation's coast. That is the foundation of navigational freedom in international waters. That is why the old USSR could freely park AGI's off our coast and we said nothing. That is why it is legal for the US to sail our ships in the Yellow Sea or Taiwan Straits. Those are international waters.
China demands nations ask permission to enter the EEZ and the US is never going to do that. It is a genuine red line for the US.
 
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