FreeAsia2000
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adeptitus said:Going back to the question "What can the PLA learn from IDF", I think the Israeli armed forces has excellent experience dealing with low intensity warfare & urban warfare conditions. This may help the PLA dealing with future urban combat and some "peace keeping" operations.
Israel is a small country with 6 million people, with hostile folks all around. They cannot afford to lose men & material like the Iran-Iraq war. They value the life of every solider and provide them with excellent armor protection. For example, Israel operates the heaviest APC's (Achzarit & Nemmer) and equip them with 360-degree video cameras, rear-hatch, and internal-mounted or remote-controlled machineguns, so the crew is not exposed outside to hostile fire.
Imagine if, sometime in the future, the PLA is involved in an UN peace keeping operation like UNOSOM II, in which Pakistani, American, Malaysian peace keeping troops were killed, plus numerous wounded & 1,000+ Somali deaths. Those who watched "Black Hawk Down" were never shown what happened to the Malaysia peacekeepers that were assisting the operation. Here's a brief description:
peacekeeping in Somalia as part of UNOSOMII by the 900-strong MALBATT 1, formed primarily from 19 RAMD(Mechanised), also known as 'The Fighting Tigers' in 1993. Commanded by Brigadier-General Datuk Abdul Latif Ahmad, MALBATT saw action in the Battle of Mogadishu where 32 Condor Armoured Personal Carriers (APC) with 113 personnel were sent to rescue 75 American servicemen. In the operation, 18 US soldiers were killed and 70 were wounded. Condor driver Private Mat Aznan Awang was killed by heavy machine gun fire. An RPG ripped apart his APC while eleven others were injured. Four Malaysian Condors were immobilised. Private Mat Aznan Awang was pothmously promoted to the rank of Lance Corporal and awarded the medal Seri Pahlawan Gagah Perkasa, the nation's highest gallantry award. In another incident, two Malaysian peacekeepers from Grup Gerak Khas was killed when their convoy approached the K4 roundabout in Mogadishu on their way to negotiate with a Somali warlord. They were killed when the attack on their convoy had intensified and had decided to draw fire away from the convoy. One Malaysian peacekeeper was wounded and captured by Somali militia. He was later released unharmed.
For those unfamiliar, this is a Condor APC:
From the description, the Somalis prolly destroyed Private Awang's APC with RPG's, then machinegunned him to death. 4 of the Malaysia APC's were disabled in the street fight. The PLA should take a good look at these incidents and develop urban combat vehicles, or at least heavy APC/IFV's via tank conversions like the Israelis.
The PLA has numerous T-59's, which can be converted like this:
New APC's can also be built on top of MBT chasis like this:
And existing APC's can be "up-armored" like these:
adeptitus you are aware of course that Pakistan was holding anti-terrorism exercises in Xinkiang recently ? Israel's anti-terrorism experience in Lebanon was less than inspiring and of course unarmed palestinians can hardly be compared to the situation in Iraq.
In addition if Israel thinks that it can make itself an 'indespensible' ally and end up as the tail 'wagging the dog' well lets just say China is going to store up a whole heap of trouble by associating Israel with itself...
In any case in Somalia it was Pakistani troops who ended up picking up the pieces