What can the PLA learn from the IDF?

darth sidious said:

israel surived the first three wars because of the weakness of her enmey not it own power

later own sperior equipment and forgein support allowed it to surive

besides they have uncle sam and NUkes to protect them

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IDonT said:

In the 1948 war, I'll give you that.
In the 1956 war, I'll give you that
In the 1967 war, Israel wipe the floor against 4 Arab armies and defeated them in 6 days. Superior training, planning, and motivation allowed them to destroy the Egyptian airforce in the ground.
In the 1973 war, weakness of Arab army mid-level leadership made them lose their initial gains. Lack of initiative.
In the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, Israel was a first rate military. Nothing in the arab world could defeat their AF in a conventional conflict.

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In the 1948 war, I'll give you that.
In the 1956 war, I'll give you that
In the 1967 war, Israel wipe the floor against 4 Arab armies and defeated them in 6 days. Superior training, planning, and motivation allowed them to destroy the Egyptian airforce in the ground.
In the 1973 war, weakness of Arab army mid-level leadership made them lose their initial gains. Lack of initiative.
In the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, Israel was a first rate military. Nothing in the arab world could defeat them in a conventional conflict.

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IDonT said:

In the 1948 war, I'll give you that.
In the 1956 war, I'll give you that
In the 1967 war, Israel wipe the floor against 4 Arab armies and defeated them in 6 days. Superior training, planning, and motivation allowed them to destroy the Egyptian airforce in the ground.
In the 1973 war, weakness of Arab army mid-level leadership made them lose their initial gains. Lack of initiative.
In the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, Israel was a first rate military. Nothing in the arab world could defeat them in a conventional conflict.

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darth sidious said:

in 1967 israel use M-4 the arabs has T-55
israel has no SAM arabs have SA-2
Arabs has AKM israel has small number of FN and some K98K
israel has limited amount of Marige III arabs has masses of MIG-21
Arab navy has whisky sub OSa missile boat and styx missile israel has some old WWII ddestroyers

israel's victory is only possible bacause of arab weakness and they superior training and tatics

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Kampfwagen said:

In the first formation of Isreal, one must remember that they were simple farmers and settlers, with some smart military commanders working behind the scenes and people who would not give up their resolve. That is rather admirable to me. Though Isreal definately has alot of things to answer for, it certantly has a proud military history that regardless of outside assistance, really does help. The Arab nations were, remember, getting outside assitance as well. Not as extensive as that of Isreal and the U.S but a definate presence none the less.

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At this time (1922) the population of Palestine consisted of approximately 589,200 Muslims, 83,800 Jews, 71,500 Christians and 7,600 others (1922 census [1]). However, this area gradually saw a large influx of Jewish immigrants (most of whom were fleeing the increasing persecution in Europe). This immigration and accompanying call for a Jewish state in Palestine drew immediate and violent opposition from local Arabs.

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From 1936 onward the British government facilitated the training, arming, recruitment and funding of a range of security and intelligence forces in collaboration with the Jewish Agency. These included the Guards (Notrim), which were divided into the 6,000 to 14,000-strong Jewish Supernumerary Police,[9] the élite and highly mobile 6,000-8,000 strong Jewish Settlement Police[10] and the Special Night Squads,[11] the forerunner of Britain's Special Air Service regiments.[12] There was also an élite strike force known as the FOSH, or Field Companies,[13] with around 1,500 members, which were replaced by the larger HISH or Field Force in 1939.[14] [15] The SHAI, the intelligence and counter-espionage arm of the Haganah, was the forebear of Mossad.[16]

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the British government decided on 15 April, 1941 that the 10,000 Jews dispersed in the single defense companies of the Buffs should be prepared for war service at the battalion level and that another 10,000 should also be mobilized along with 6,000 Supernumerary Police and 40,000 to 50,000 home guard. The plans were approved by Field Marshall John Dill. The Special Operations Executive in Cairo approved a Haganah proposal for guerilla activities in northern Palestine led by the Palmach, as part of which Yitzhak Sadeh devised Plan North for an armed enclave in the Carmel range from which the Yishuv could defend the region and from which they could attack Nazi communications and supply lines, if necessary. British intelligence also trained a small radio network under Moshe Dayan to act as spy cells in the event of a German invasion.[18]

After much hesitation, on July 3, 1944, the British government consented to the establishment of a Jewish Brigade with hand-picked Jewish and also non-Jewish senior officers. On September 20, 1944, an official communique by the War Office announced the formation of the Jewish Brigade Group of the British Army. The Zionist flag was officially approved as its standard. It included more than 5,000 Jewish volunteers from Palestine organized into three infantry battalions and several supporting units.[19]

As soon as the war ended British policy reverted to that of the period immediately before the war and arms were confiscated and some Haganah members were arrested and tried, one notable case being that of Eliahu Sacharoff who received a sentence of seven years' imprisonment for possession of two more cartridges than his firearms licence allowed. Despite these severe difficulties the Haganah was aware that its military capabilities far surpassed those of the Arab population.[20]

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