Soyuz
New Member
Sea Dog said:
On WMD all i can say are where is this massive arsenal of weapons that we were told saddam had and which posed such a significant threat!. Two and a half years after the invasion and nothing substantial has been found in short the US and others were lying or they have bad intelligence gathering methods. Even Rumsfeld conceeded defeat last year in the search for WMD in Iraq. Althougth on the issue of WMD in Iraq one should not forget who armed and assisted Iraq in the first place, the soviet union (who later turned against him) and the western powers including america who encouraged him to attack neighbouring Iran after the Islamic revolution there in 1979.
As for Saddam supporting Islamic extremists such as Bin Laden this is absurd! the express goal of al qaeda is to create a islamic superstate ( or caliphate as its known) governed by the teachings of the koran or shariah law. However saddams regime whilst brutal was a secular one which was based on principles of Arab socialism as espoused by the Egyptian leader Nasser, indeed woman had equql status with men and non muslim religions were freely practiced in Saddams Iraq. However all of these aspects go against the teachings of the Koran as the likes of Bin laden interpret it and therefore they despised him and his regime and view him as an infidel. Indeed Saddam faced opposition domestically from some imams and he often persecuted them for this. Also don't forget that the CIA supported the Contra terrorists in Nicaragua is one of many examples of this, so the US can hardly take the moral high ground on this issue!
Well i'll agree that there is some corruption in the UN but what do you propose that it is done away with and replaced with what?
Also no organisation is perfect and corruption will always be a problem, even in your own country look at the recent arrest of the republican congressman Tom DeLay on corruption charges. Anyway if indeed Saddam was using oil for food to buy weapons then WHERE ARE THEY? after all they do say that seeing is believing!
Well if you think i have no compassion for the Iraqi people that must mean that the american gov't despises them! after all thousands of them have died as a result of The US led invasion two and a half years ago and even more in the preceeding ten years of periodic bombings, thats probably something Saddam even atb his most bloodthirsty would have struggled to do!
As for Israel well they don't have to use suicide bombings to kill palestinians as they can just use F-16s etc against defenceless palestinan refugee camps! also i believe unlike Bush that violence is not always the answer i'm sure the US could just threaten to withdraw some of the massive amount of aid it gives to israel as an easy way of enforcing the UN resolutions although it chooses not to. BTW not all palestinians are i n Hamas!
In terms of Human rights i believe that it is enevitable that in any war there will be human rights abuses so in effect the order to invade Iraq without a full UN authorisation (due to the french veto) and on a false basis (claims about non existant wmd) was the US sanctioning such acts.
To me Iraq isn't getting any better (not that i am happy about the fate that has befallen it at the moment) in fact it is getting worse and is completely immersed in a bloody civil war and the US invasion has led to the destabilisation of the country and allowed the infiltration of foreign jihadis such as jordanian born Al-zarqawi. My view is that Iraq will probably end up breaking up like Yugoslavia.
I still maintain that this so called war on terrorism is unwinable if the US continue to fight it as they have up to now. As i come from a country which has experienced prolonged terrorist activities, where the British tried to fight terrorism using conventional methods of warfare as the US is doing which merely led to a bloody stalemate between the two.
Well i wouldn't say i hate the US, undoutedly it has done a lot of good things for the world but i do think that its foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired! BTW i am a student of History and Politics at university and the more i learn about the US foreign policy the more p***ed off i get!
Sea Dog i respect your love of your country and you have every right and reason to do so however i feel that that your patriotism may have blinded you to some of the more unseemly aspects of US foreign policy, after all no nation is perfect!
I suggest you have a look at these sites, there both by americans!
