US Navy Virginia Class Nuclear Attack Submarines

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A question about missiles in VLS :
Since 688i a additional hull section is added to the submarine for host more missiles, only missiles.
I understand for existing classes presumably more easy, seems more difficult enlarge torpedoes room why ?

But why not for new/futur classes as Sea Wolf and Astute have all types of weapons in a more big torpedoes/weapons* room for me really better ?

Same things for SSK all new projects have a VLS.

*According missiles size ofc some can' t launched by TL but no problem for Tomahawk.

And any plans for a submarine launched LRASM ?
 
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How about these Forbin?
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Damn your the man ! Merci :)

Oscar wide ! Seawolf seem little but have same number of weapons however SS-N-19 is a very long range supersonic missile with a very big warhead but no sea skimming
 
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Damn your the man ! Merci :)

Oscar wide ! Seawolf seem little but have same number of weapons however SS-N-19 is a very long range supersonic missile with a very big warhead but no sea skimming
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The Sea Wolf is a really exceptional sub...like the F-22 of the undersea world.

They have a large weapon capability and with the larger torpedo tubes are able to launch numerous Tomahawk cruise missiles from those tubes without having to have all of the additional worries of VLS.

Also VERY quiet. The best of all worlds for an SSN IMHO...the class of three boats is probably the best SSN ever built.
 
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The Sea Wolf is a really exceptional sub...like the F-22 of the undersea world.

Also VERY quiet. The best of all worlds for an SSN IMHO...the class of three boats is probably the best SSN ever built.
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Perhaps in a few years time you can also call it the Zumwalt of the undersea world. I think a lot of things that were developed for the Sea Wolf found their way into the "scaled back" Virginia, which by itself has become a very successfull program, I believe.
Maybe the DDG-1000s can be the same thing for a scaled-back DDG(X) Burke follow on. An 8 to 10.000t DDG, with, again, 96x VLS, maybe one "light" railgun, or 155mm + 5" conventional setup, and so on ...
 
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Perhaps in a few years time you can also call it the Zumwalt of the undersea world. I think a lot of things that were developed for the Sea Wolf found their way into the "scaled back" Virginia, which by itself has become a very successfull program, I believe.
Maybe the DDG-1000s can be the same thing for a scaled-back DDG(X) Burke follow on. An 8 to 10.000t DDG, with, again, 96x VLS, maybe one "light" railgun, or 155mm + 5" conventional setup, and so on ...
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I agree.

I was able to work on the NSSN program, which became the Virginia sub and what you say is true about the three Sea wolf vessels projecting technology and capabilities onto the Virginia. The Virginia then took those outstanding qualities and added more, albeit in a smaller package with less torpedo tubes and overall weapons at the time.

But, by the time the SSGN hybrid capability comes along with the Block V boats and thereafter, those Virginias will then carry more weapons that the sea Wolf boats..

I agree 100% that the DDG-1000 class will produce similar results in the future.

As it is, the discussion of the SSNs would fit nicely into the SSN threads...in this case specifically the Sea Wolf and the Virginia threads. I will copy these posts there.
 
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Jeff, the current Virginias have a displacement of about 7.900t I think, do you know how much that increases with the Block V?
And, is that 70ft VPM section additional to the 377ft of length, or does it utilize part or all of the existing Virginia hull?

AFAIK, the VPM is supposed to launch SLCM and UUVs. The idea for (conventional) MRBM was done away with, if that ever really was an option anyhow.
I wonder what the likelyhood of using UAVs here might be.
 
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Jeff, the current Virginias have a displacement of about 7.900t I think, do you know how much that increases with the Block V?
And, is that 70ft VPM section additional to the 377ft of length, or does it utilize part or all of the existing Virginia hull?
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They have not announced (to my knowledge) what the increased displacement will be. I have to believe that the new displacement Is going to be probably be over 9,000 tons.

And yes, this is an "in addition to" insert. So the new length is going to close to 450 feet.
 
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Salt Lake Tribune said:
The U.S. Navy said Wednesday it will name a new submarine for Utah — the first combat vessel in years to bear a name from the Beehive State.

Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus will formally announce the name 3 p.m. Monday at the City-County Building in Salt Lake City. The USS Utah will be a
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submarines are typically named for states, and the Navy had been waiting to name the submarine whose registry number is to be 801 — the telephone area code for Salt Lake City and most of the Wasatch Front.

The vessels are meant to provide defenses against enemy submarines, gather intelligence and conduct covert missions. They can fire torpedoes at vessels, or nuclear or conventional missiles at targets on land. Twelve
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US Navy’s newest of Virginia-class attack submarines SSN 798 will bear the name USS Massachusetts.

According to an announcement made by US Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus on November 8, during a taped video message at the Gillette Stadium in Massachusetts, the submarine will be named to honor the history its namesake state has with the Navy. The future USS Massachusetts will be the fifth Navy vessel to serve under that name.

Twelve of the next-generation submarines have been commissioned so far and they will replace Los Angeles Class submarines as they retire.

Each Virginia-class submarine is 7,800-tons and 377 feet in length, has a beam of 34 feet, and can operate at more than 25 knots submerged. They are designed with a reactor plant that will not require refueling during the planned life of the ship, reducing lifecycle costs while increasing underway time.

The submarine will be built under a teaming agreement between General Dynamics Electric Boat and Huntington Ingalls Industries’ Newport News Shipbuilding division wherein both companies build certain portions of each submarine and then alternate deliveries. Massachusetts will be delivered by Huntington Ingalls Industries’ Newport News Shipbuilding
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