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Air Force Brat

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Let's hope your'e right.

I, on the other hand, think that Trump thinks more about increasing the debt of United States without intention to ever return that debt ( Mexico, Japan, Korea etc. have to pay us the protection ) and IMHO all his talks about freedom of enterprise, prosperity etc. are just blabbering from his throat, not from head.

After all, if the US was/is so socialistic country, very interesting how he managed to become a billionaire. :eek::rolleyes:

There ya go, Obama killed lots of businesses with his "robin-hood" health care plan, steal from the working taxpayer, to give to his base and play "Santa Claus", actual unemployment under Obama is in actuality likely 25% +, and underemployment likely a very similar number! Obama taxed this faltering economy nearly to death.

I lost a very fine job as Chaplain of a private Hospice agency. Medicare under Obama re-wrote Hospice Guidelines to remove the qualifications for chaplains, 4 chaplains in our agency were fired, I was asked to go part time because reimbursement were cut around 25%? I would have given up my health insurance and all my benefits and retirement, I said no and was terminated and replaced by two people, both of whom were fired for cause within the first month.

I'm only one individual from a pool of millions, but I have yet to be employed at my previous level, and I now drive a school bus for slightly over minimum and health-insurance, and I'm thankful for that!

I worked 21 years in a private Social Services Agency and had quite a lump of cash in my retirement account, I've had to tap into that, and theres not much of it left and death and taxes???

So, I worked hard, took my lumps, and I'm still working hard and employed at about 1/6 of my previous income, thank to Barack Hussein Obama! yeah, I'm glad to see him gone, and I'd be happy to buy him a plane ticket to anywhere on the planet, as long as it was one-way!
 

abc123

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I'm very sorry for your personal problems AFB, but obviously my European views on what is socialism/socialist policies are in very big disparity with American views. I personaly consider myself as conservative in economy, so no friendship for socialist ideas from me, but I think that Obama had pretty difficult situation during his term, with Great Depression 2.0, troubles for big banks and car industries etc. Maybe someone would just let these companies fall, maybe that would be better, but I'm not sure about that. It's easy to let them fall when you will not lose your job because of that decision. But what to do when your'e out of job, no universal healthcare, no social aid, morgage for house/car, two kids in college you have to pay etc.

Mind you, I don't consider Obama as some great president, just not so bad as some people think. I would prefer McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012, but the American people has elected Obama.
 

abc123

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Pres. trump was a billionaire long before the socialist policies of the Obama administration took affect.

I'm pretty sure that all Democratic presidents before ( Clinton, Carter, JFK, LBJ etc. ) were "socialists" for the opposition. I guess that Donald and his father his father only made business during Republican presidents.:)
 

Air Force Brat

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I'm very sorry for your personal problems AFB, but obviously my European views on what is socialism/socialist policies are in very big disparity with American views. I personaly consider myself as conservative in economy, so no friendship for socialist ideas from me, but I think that Obama had pretty difficult situation during his term, with Great Depression 2.0, troubles for big banks and car industries etc. Maybe someone would just let these companies fall, maybe that would be better, but I'm not sure about that. It's easy to let them fall when you will not lose your job because of that decision. But what to do when your'e out of job, no universal healthcare, no social aid, morgage for house/car, two kids in college you have to pay etc.

Mind you, I don't consider Obama as some great president, just not so bad as some people think. I would prefer McCain in 2008 or Romney in 2012, but the American people has elected Obama.

You're right, and if we had a cup of coffee together, we could compare notes and I'm rather certain that you'd see my point. Which is that I lost my job, my health insurance and blew my retirement trying to keep my twins in high school and take care of them??

On top of all that Brother Obama "fined" me for not having health care??? nearly $1,000, because I'm an old white guy, I didn't qualify for the "freebies"? LOL
 

abc123

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You're right, and if we had a cup of coffee together, we could compare notes and I'm rather certain that you'd see my point. Which is that I lost my job, my health insurance and blew my retirement trying to keep my twins in high school and take care of them??

On top of all that Brother Obama "fined" me for not having health care??? nearly $1,000, because I'm an old white guy, I didn't qualify for the "freebies"? LOL

As I said, I somewhat understand your bad situation.

Where I live, health insurance is universal ( everybody pays part from it's pay and Government pays for unemployed ), college is basicly free ( while youu'r study goes as it should ), you can't touch your retirement money before retirement- so I can't say that I understand you completely. But surely I wouldn't like to be in such situation. On the other hand, social aid is about 20-60% of average pay, so you can't really live of it, but with your 7 (right?) childern, I could count on child support payment of more than average pay. If your'e a war veteran ( especially with invalidity ) or a child of war veteran, there are additional rights for you ( I don't agree about all of them, but they are here ).

I know that it probably sounds as God-awful socialism to you and that you can find at least 20 bad sides to all of that ( and I would agree on some of them ), but I like to have such "safety net" of sorts. Staying out of job is very bad thing, but I think it's easier to suffer this way.

Another important thing about all of that is that I consider that as very important thing ( along with weapons control ) to have much lower crime & violence rate than in States.
 
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FORBIN

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Pres. trump was a billionaire long before the socialist policies of the Obama administration took affect.
LOL Popeye and the family of his son-in-law is even richer than him each her tower :) but it is true.

According number, statistics Obama is less " generous " of about 50 billions with DOD 10 % this year 532 billions base budget ofc Trump have envisaged during her campaign + 80 bill but campaign election promises and reality there are thing different... and after many politics people change i hope also for Europe i read possible he can' t do he as annouced but btw i don't like too these politicians.

McCain in her " White paper " seem much + 110, 640 billions budget for 2018.
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With a budget inferior to 10 % we can' t say seriously Obama do worst military politic, there have not been drastic cuts enough aware fot it ... we have much more in Europe and in France - 30 % of fighters, 100 % tanks, 4 FFG on 18 etc ... i can provide all you want.

I wish more ofc but Democrats economic situation down initial previsions, economic crisis in first mainly finacial begin just after Bush in 2008.
 
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Aug 19, 2016

and haven't heard about the tanker since then, until now when Continuing Resolution Includes Language to Prevent KC-46 Penalty

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and here is an update:
Air Force’s Future Tanker Sees Rising Cost Overruns
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added a $312 million charge last quarter, bringing the total program cost overrun to $2.3 billion, according to the company’s 2016 final-quarter earnings report.

The Chicago-based aerospace giant’s defense unit took a $69 million pre-tax charge for the quarter, while the commercial side retained a $243 million pre-tax charge, the report said. After deducting the costs in taxes, the additional penalty totals $201 million,
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“We are disappointed with the tanker charge we took in the fourth quarter, but it’s well understood and defined,” CEO Dennis Muilenburg told reporters during a conference call Wednesday.

“I will say that the nature of the risk on the program is clearly changing as expected, and we moved now from the development program into the initial production program,” he said.

The Air Force awarded the Boeing a fixed-price $4.9 billion contract in 2011. Boeing is responsible for any cost overruns.

The cost stemmed from problems with initial production, Muilenburg said.

“The charge we took in the fourth quarter was around the previously defined configuration changes, the wiring changes that you’ll recall from last year, now implementing those at the detail level in the initial production aircraft,” he said.

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“We have some job categories that are just taking longer than planned in terms of hours per job, and that’s what you see in the charge in the quarter. This is not new work,” Muilenburg said.

The program has suffered
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beginning in 2014. Known as the Pegasus, the aircraft experienced wiring issues, developmental and system problems, including a design flaw in the modified 767-based tanker’s refueling boom
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with the Air Force.

Still, Muilenburg said he remains hopeful for the program’s future.

“We’ve completed all of the boom envelope testing as part of the development program, and we’ve closed out that risk. We’ve got five aircraft in flight test. We’ve completed more than 1,500 hours of flight testing, and we are steadily knocking out test points every day. So while we still have flight testing to go, it’s very clear now that we are not discovering new technical risks. It’s now about getting the first 18 aircrafts delivered,” he said.

The Air Force last year awarded a $2.8 billion contract for the first 19 KC-46A. The service
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, to replace current tanker fleets.

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Boeing plans to build 179 tankers for the service.
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abc123

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A real disgrace. It's a God-damn tanker aircraft, Boeing has manufactured 100s of them, what's there to have cost overrun? It itsn't a frickin Death Star.
 

FORBIN

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LOL Popeye and the family of his son-in-law is even richer than him each her tower :) but it is true.

According number, statistics Obama is less " generous " of about 50 billions with DOD 10 % this year 532 billions base budget ofc Trump have envisaged during her campaign + 80 bill but campaign election promises and reality there are thing different... and after many politics people change i hope also for Europe i read possible he can' t do he as annouced but btw i don't like too these politicians.

McCain in her " White paper " seem much + 110, 640 billions budget for 2018.
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With a budget inferior to 10 % we can' t say seriously Obama do worst military politic, there have not been drastic cuts enough aware fot it ... we have much more in Europe and in France - 30 % of fighters, 100 % tanks, 4 FFG on 18 etc ... i can provide all you want.

I wish more ofc but Democrats economic situation down initial previsions, economic crisis in first mainly finacial begin just after Bush in 2008.

But a fact is very important and US Military win money eventualy also taxpayer... with it it is now necessary to fix adress urgently all these problems of price overruns ok for 10 % in more eventualy a bit more but last programms scandalous !
When you especialy Virginia, Burke classes F-35 in the good way now they are capable so do.
 

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A real disgrace. It's a God-damn tanker aircraft, Boeing has manufactured 100s of them, what's there to have cost overrun? It itsn't a frickin Death Star.
A-330MRTT would be in service since severals years politic decision worst stupid ! and 2 décisions !!!for price same A-330 MRTT is enough espensive but yet some KC-135 replaced and mainly A-330MRTT is more capable more fuel, passengers, cargo. You have see all the deals he win.
 
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