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Brumby

Major
.... with just one sentence: The future, and myths, can't be dispelled, because they don't exist!
LOL
Exactly. If the argument cannot be sustained on facts then just create a virtual world as a substitute. In other words, the reasoning is grounded on imaginations.

Whilst you do not accept the reasons why China will likely continue to grow fast and develop in the hi-tech realm, let me ask you this.

Does everyone in the world deserve a chance of a middle-class existence where they are safe and no longer have to worry about abject poverty?

I do, therefore I hope that every country becomes a prosperous middle-class nation, and gets through the middle-income trap by moving up the technology value chain.

It's a more optimistic and brighter and happier view of the world, whereas I see your view as being bitter and much darker.

What I accept or not is irrelevant. Arguments are not sustained on fallacious reasoning which you then to use liberally to justify your arguments. Case in point, in your appeal to belief and ad hominem in this particular instance.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Found no link, with a map.

Definitely F-15C planned for Gowen Field, Idaho come from Lakenheath in more this Sqn have exactly 20 Eagles, they are starting to be replaced by F-35A in 2021.

To Lakenheath 2 F-35A Sqns but in more of 2 actually on F-15E ? it would be surprising or ANG/reserve units stand down maybe in this case possible the F-16 Sqn to Spangdalem alone is stand down.

2 new F-35A Sqns to Eielson, begin in 2019, re activated units, 2 new FS for active ? it would be surprising or ANG/Reserve units stand down but sure the Agressor Sqn remain.


USAF ORBAT changes end 2010's/early 2020's

The Air Force is adjusting its original plan for replacing Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve A-10s after several failed attempts to divest the fleet.

A new Force Structure Action plan based on the Fiscal 2017 budget request details what Guard and Reserve units will fly once they lose their A-10s. USAF now plans to begin replacing the venerable Warthogs on a "squadron-by-squadron" basis in Fiscal 2018.

The final aircraft is slated to retire in 2022 after the F-35 comes on line.
For example, in 2018, the Reserve A-10 unit at Whiteman AFB, Mo., and the Guard unit at Fort Wayne ANGS, Ind., will both transfer to F-16s.

In 2020, the unit at Martin State Airport in Maryland will lose 21 A-10s and gain eight C-130s.

In 2021, Selfridge ANGB, Mich., will lose 21 A-10s and gain 8 KC-135s, while the unit at *Gowen Field, Idaho, will lose 21 A-10s and gain 20 F-15Cs.

The operational A-10 unit at Davis-Monthan AFB, Ariz., will lose 25 Warthogs in Fiscal 2019 and will gain 21 F-16s the same year. The training units assigned to the base will be disbanded in Fiscal 2020 and 2021, losing a total of 58 A-10s, according to the plan.

The Air Force will replace the units assigned to the Guard and Reserve, but there are currently no plans to replace Active Duty A-10 units. However, there is still time to come up with follow-on missions for the Active Duty if necessary, said Lt. Gen. Mike Holmes, the deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements.
Active Duty A-10s are stationed at Davis-Monthan; Nellis AFB, Nev.; Moody AFB, Ga.; Eglin AFB, Fla.; and Osan AB, South Korea.
The Air Force will increase the number of legacy tankers in the reserve component even as it divests the KC-10 Extender in an effort to maintain the requirement of 479 refueling aircraft while it waits for the KC-46A to become operational, according to a new force structure plan released with the Fiscal 2017 budget proposal.

Two bases in the reserve component will transfer to the service's aging KC-135 tanker and a base expecting to receive the KC-46A will lose its Stratotankers.

The Air National Guard unit at Selfridge ANGB, Mich., will receive eight KC-135s in 2021 as it retires 21 A-10s,
and the Reserve unit at Niagara Falls AFRS, N.Y., will retire eight C-130s and gain eight KC-135s in Fiscal 2017.
Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C., will lose four of its KC-135 tankers in 2017 and 12 in 2020, while it gains 12 KC-46s in 2020.

The Air Force's force structure plans call for retiring 59 KC-10 Extenders, but it does not detail how the tankers will leave the service. The Air Force's KC-10 fleet is stationed at Travis AFB, Calif., and JB McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, N.J.

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I hope the ORBAT changes are based more on strategic needs instead of Congressional horse trading and logrolling.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Andrew, here is the biggest issue with your argument.
Personally I think this is a mistake for the US for the following reasons:

The Chinese can probably replicate any railgun that is developed very quickly and the widespread proliferation of railguns could make all guided missiles obsolete, from both a defensive and offensive point of view.
So according to your opinion the Us should cancel Railgun development because it would render missiles obsolete, Correct?
But here is where I can use you against you.
if China has the larger military budget along with faster speed of execution and comparable technology, then the widespread introduction of railguns means the advantage goes to China.
Okay so,
I think China is probably about equal to the USA in terms of civilian EM technology, but does lag behind on military EM technology. But China has a consistent track record in terms of catching up, and has the financial/personnel/technological resources to do this. There is a reason why China Speed and the China Price are a commonly acknowledged term.
So the Em Tech is pretty far along. Alright.
And you would back it with these,
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Please read the Thomson Reuters report again. It states that China is no2 in terms of number of materials science citations by other scientists - which they say indicates the quality or usefulness of that work.
Okay So then The PRC has a railgun program; not as mature as the US one which is nearing fielding correct.
Problem If the US stopped it's program, what's to stop the PRC? If your argument is,
The US has a vast stock of missiles which will become far less effective, whilst China has a much smaller stock of equivalent missiles.
Then How would Stopping the Us Program prevent the PRC from developing their own? According to you they are pretty far along, And there is no evedence of simply copying the US development.

Historically When you had tot for tat programs and one side pulled out the other did not necessarily do so. Look at the US MOL vs the Russian ALMAZ, The US canceled MOL well the Russians deployed ALMAZ. So If the US stopped it's program what would stop Other nations from pushing ahead? And if they did push ahead then those stockpiles would be back to obsolete. in your argument.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
@SamuraiBlue

I think we're just going to have to disagree on the trajectory of the Chinese economy and its future development. But given that China is on average, still a developing country, it is not unreasonable to expect that China will continue to close the wealth and technology gap. And there is actually a whole lot of reasoning and numerous papers on the Chinese economy if you look for it. After all, it is the world's largest in terms of actual output, so there is a lot of attention paid to it.

So is it any wonder why some people are surprised at what China is capable of?
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
@TerraN_EmpirE

You seem to have misunderstood what I said.

I said it was a mistake for the US to push railgun technology and spur/assist China in its efforts, as it became clear a few years ago that the strategic advantage would accrue disproportionately to China.

That is not the same as saying the US should now cancel railgun technology research, but they should be doing so in much more secrecy to avoid spurring and assisting China in its own efforts.

However, China now very clearly sees the advantages for itself and will push on regardless. The biggest advantage is that railguns based on the Chinese coast can hit anywhere on the entire island of Taiwan.

Amongst other things, it means every airbase could be under continuous fire from low-cost railgun artillery rounds, which effectively means the end of the Taiwanese Air Force and therefore control of their skies.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
That is not the same as saying the US should now cancel railgun technology research, but they should be doing so in much more secrecy to avoid spurring and assisting China in its own efforts.
Problem here, The USN is not looking to make one or two and stash them away like the USAF did the F117,
The USN is looking to deploy them fleet wide, starting before the end of the decade. That means thousands of Sailors living and working around them. Also thousands of civilians who will witness it in ports of call. Deploying such fleet wide
Other Us services are also looking at using it for fighting vehicles and Air defence. That means That you have tens of thousands in on the loop the larger a people in on the secret the exponentially larger number of chances for exposure.
the Navy was working on this under cover for decades. However when you are ready to go service wide there is no real point in hiding anymore. The Russians and PRC and other nations have to know that the US was working on this for a long time. There intelligence services don't just read Popular Science, And any military R&D group has to be looking for potential game changer tech.
Eventually Railgun tech will get out of the bottle, That's a fact of reality. So no I disagree, The US is jumping head of the game with the most mature Railgun systems available and with the idea that they will lead the technologies of it. eventually the PRC will catch up as will other nations who have the resources. but by then for every one they field the Us will have the larger established base and work on the next generation.
 

Brumby

Major
I said it was a mistake for the US to push railgun technology and spur/assist China in its efforts,
The problems with your statements are that they are simply assertions. You asserted that it is a mistake for the US to engage in railgun development because it would generate a similar effort by the Chinese. This is a fallacy of causation. There are many strategic reasons why the US is interested in rail gun, the strategic objectives of which are laid out. In such a competing environment what the other side might do is not a primary consideration. If you wish to argue that the Chinese reaction is a show stopper than you need to offer some compelling reasons.
as it became clear a few years ago that the strategic advantage would accrue disproportionately to China.
It might be clear to you in own imagination but your so called strategic advantage is predicated upon a future world, a world that has yet to materialise. What is clear to me in some of the postings, a feature that is increasingly common is that if the arguments cannot be sustained on present reality, the default argument is based on a future world that is only limited by imagination to suit the necessary arguments. This type of fallacious reasoning deserves a new term - a virtual straw man.

However, China now very clearly sees the advantages for itself and will push on regardless. The biggest advantage is that railguns based on the Chinese coast can hit anywhere on the entire island of Taiwan.

Amongst other things, it means every airbase could be under continuous fire from low-cost railgun artillery rounds, which effectively means the end of the Taiwanese Air Force and therefore control of their skies.
China on its end need to do what it needs to do in pursuit of its own program. What are your bunch of statements on rail gun and Taiwan got to do with this thread? It is called red herring
 
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GAO: Navy Pays Shipbuilders To Fix Construction Defects
The US Navy’s use of fixed-price incentive contracts came under fire today with the release of a new report claiming the service is paying shipbuilders a profit to correct construction mistakes made by the builders.

“The shipbuilder earns the same level of profit for correcting defects as it does for building the ship,” the Government Accountability Office (GAO) said in the report — despite guarantees in the contracts that should prevent that situation.

Even more, said GAO, “the award of follow-on, cost-reimbursement arrangements to correct remaining defects — under which the contractor also earns fee (profit) — creates an apparent disincentive for quality ship construction.”

GAO, however, praised the US Coast Guard for its use of warranties on the Fast Response Cutter (FRC) program, noting that in similar situations where builder defects needed to be corrected, shipbuilders bore the brunt of the costs, not the government.

Shipbuilders paid about 11 percent of the cost to fix five of six ships in the study, GAO said, while the government picked up the remaining 89 percent. The cost to fix defects on the FRC, however, were mostly borne by the shipbuilder, which picked up 59 percent of the costs, leaving the government responsible for 41 percent.

While the Navy uses guaranty mechanisms in its fixed-price incentive contracts, GAO said those methods “generally [have] no effect on improving cost and quality outcomes, in contrast to FRC and commercial warranties.”

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As an illustration of the problem, GAO noted that shortly after the amphibious ship Somerset was delivered from Ingalls Shipbuilding, the ship’s exterior hull paint began to peel.

“The Navy determined that the shipbuilder did not adequately prepare the surface of the ship prior to applying a second coat of paint and submitted the issue as a guaranty claim,” GAO wrote. “The Navy docked the ship and the shipbuilder re-painted the vessel. The shipbuilder submitted invoices for the work completed and the Navy paid the shipbuilder $315,000 — even though the shipbuilder was responsible for the failure.

“This example illustrates how a guaranty functions with a fixed-price incentive contract type, which results in the government paying the costs to correct problems,” GAO added.

GAO also noted that the Somerset was delivered with a cost overrun of 32 percent, and that, while Ingalls “earned less profit than it would have earned had the ship been delivered at its target cost, it still earned some profit.”

Of more than $1.3 million needed to repair defects on the General Dynamics-build destroyer Michael Murphy, GAO reports the shipbuilders at Bath Iron Works paid for $460,000, while the government paid twice that, $900,000.

GAO noted the government got a better deal when the Coast Guard’s Fast Response Cutter Paul Clark needed more than $2.1 million in defect repairs. Shipbuilders Bollinger paid $1.5 million, while the government paid less than half that, about $630,000.

The difference, GAO said, is that the Coast Guard paid extra for the warranty clauses in the FRC contracts, which paid off then the defect costs were higher. And when the shipbuilder agreed to the higher warranty terms, they also passed them on to their suppliers, resulting in even better performance.

The Navy, GAO recommended, needs to structure its contracts so that shipbuilders cannot make a profit for correcting construction deficiencies deemed to be their responsibility. Contracting officers need better guidance as to how and when to use guarantees, GAO added, and the Navy needs to differentiate and track defects between government and shipbuilder responsibilities and the costs to fix problems.

The Navy partially concurred in all the GAO recommendations, but took issue with specific points. While the service agreed that contract terms need to be reviewed, it disagreed “that shipbuilding contracts always result in payment for profit for correction of defects judged as shipbuilder responsibility.” The Navy agreed to conduct a study and determine policy changes, if any, for future shipbuilding contracts.

The Navy also disagreed that a single objective for using warranty or guaranty provisions can be found, but it will study the issue.

The service also pushed back on GAO’s assertion that it has not been tracking the costs of correcting defects. “The Navy has been differentiating the government’s and shipbuilder’s responsibility for defects and tracking the costs to correct all defects after delivery on shipbuilding contracts,” the service said in its response, pointing out such costs are reported by several offices within the Naval Sea Systems Command.

To carry out the study, GAO studied the situations of six ships purchased using fixed-price or incentive contracts: the destroyer Michael Murphy (DDG 112), delivered in 2012 from General Dynamics Bath Iron Works; the amphibious transport dock Somerset (LPD 25), delivered from Ingalls Shipbuilding in 2013; the littoral combat ships Fort Worth (LCS 3) delivered in 2012 from Lockheed Martin and Fincantieri Marinette Marine and Coronado (LCS 4), delivered by General Dynamics and Austal USA in 2013; the Coast Guard National Security Cutter Hamilton (WMSL 753), delivered from Ingalls Shipbuilding in 2014; and the Coast Guard Fast Response Cutter Paul Clark, delivered in 2013 from Bollinger Shipbuilding.

None of the ships, GAO noted, were lead ships, meaning the first of a class, which generally have more defects and cost more than follow-on ships.
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AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
@TerraN_EmpirE

Yes, the US may be looking to start fleetwide deployment of railguns relatively soon, but they face a large problem in that there isn't a suitable platform to mount them on.

The Zumwalts with IEPS were supposed to be the future destroyer fleet, and would have been ideal as they were designed for close-in shore bombardment. However, real-life got in the way, and the US navy correctly realised that they were unsuited to an environment where AD2D reconnaissance and precision strike capabilities are widespread.

So that has led to the Arleigh Burke restart, and now has no money to develop a new IEPS destroyer platform, which would take 5-10 years to develop anyway, once the decision was made.

As to the Chinese, they do have a consistent track record of being able to close the technology gap and at much lower cost. Therefore the Chinese (with their larger economy) could theoretically overmatch the US in terms of railgun deployment, if they chose to.

And remember that the Chinese have started on the Type-55, which is somewhere between the Zumwalt and Burke in size, and that larger platforms are generally better for things like railguns. Given that China also has a number of IEPS test platforms in the Coast Guard, China may actually begin widespread introduction of an IEPS Type-55 variant and railguns at the same time as the US, some 5-10 years in the future.
 
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