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Pentagon Ignores Spending Caps in 2016 Budget

etc., I'm even more puzzled by this part, later in this article: etc. since I believe I read (here!) F-35 price estimates lower than $100m per copy, but 11000/57 is 193 ...

I think it is posturing and a process of political reconciliation between the numbers to bed down a final set.

In terms of F-35 cost, the following is taken from Navy Matters (which in turn is sourced from different governmental sources) :

F-35B/C

FY 2011 qty=10 $269M each
FY 2012 qty=13 $282M each
FY 2013 qty=10 $258M each

F-35A
Prior Years (25 aircraft) $215M each
2011 (25 aircraft) $159M each
2012 (18 aircraft) $171M each
2013 (19 aircraft) $160M each

They are flyaway costs. Yours I believe is without the engine and support costs.
 
I think it is posturing and a process of political reconciliation between the numbers to bed down a final set.

...

Brumby now I'm puzzled even more LOL

anyway, more news on 2016 requests:
Pentagon Boosts Next Generation Submarines and Bombers
Next generation bomber and submarine programs for the Air Force and Navy turned out to be the winners out of the Pentagon’s roll out of its fiscal 2016 budget proposal.
Both programs, designed to offer the U.S. the ability to evade advanced air defenses or underwater detection capabilities, received high levels of funding that don’t include what’s sure to be a significant chunk of funding in the classified budget. In fact, the Navy’s effort to replace its Ohio-class nuclear submarines received a fund designed by Congress that separates a portion of the program’s funding from the overall Navy budget.

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, including a $534 base budget and a $51 billion war budget. That’s an increase of about $25 billion, or 4 percent, in funding from this year.

The Navy received the biggest boost over last year out of all the services requesting $10 billion more compared the amount the Navy received last year. Out of the Navy’s $160 billion budget request, the service wants to buy two more Virginia-class submarines to go along with the $1.4 billion it plans to spend on the Ohio Replace program.

The Navy also requested $67.4 million for directed energy weapons and $242 million for a next-generation radar technology called Air and Missile Defense Radar, or AMDR.

Navy leaders also requested $2.5 billion for the Navy’s new
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, $3.2 billion for two new DDG 51
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, $1.4 billion for three
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and one new amphibious transport dock or LPD 17.

Air Force

Meanwhile, the Air Force asked for $1.24 billion for its Long Range Strike program as the service plans to increase its level of funding over the next four years.

The Long-Range Strike Bomber program, or LRS-B, plans to have new planes in the fleet by the mid-2020s. The Air Force ultimately plans to acquire as many as 80 to 100 new bombers for a price of roughly $550 million per plane. The new aircraft will be designed to have global reach, in part by incorporating a large arsenal of long-range weapons. The LRS-B is being engineered to carry existing weapons as well as emerging and future weapons.

Northrop Grumman and a partnership of Lockheed Martin and Boeing are competing for the contract to build the plane. In fact, Northrop aired a commercial hinting at its developed bomber during the Super Bowl on Sunday.

Air Force generals plan to request $2.2 billion in fiscal 2017, $2.8 billion in 2018, $3.6 billion in 2019 and $3.7 billion in 2020. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Mark Welsh has called the Long Range Strike Bomber one of the Air Force’s top priorities.

While the Air Force plans to increase its funding on the next generation bomber, the service maintained its stance on retiring the A-10. The A-10 is a popular close-air-support, ground attack aircraft that has received support from prominent lawmakers to include Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee

Thus far, Congress has flatly denied the Air Force’s previous attempts to retire the A-10 fleet that Air Force leaders have said is necessary in order to free up funding and manning for the introduction of the
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However, Air Force leaders have listened to lawmakers’ rejection of its proposal to retire the
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spy plane. The service will push back the proposed retirement to 2019 and has instead requested funding for upgrades to the aircraft. The Air Force had planned to retire the U-2 in favor of the
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system.

Supporters for the U-2 have said the Global Hawk is not ready to take over for the Dragon Lady’s spy mission. The proposed budget includes funding for the U-2 and the Global Hawk Block 30 and 40 drones.

Finally, the Pentagon plans to increase its investment in the F-35. The Defense Department is proposing to spend $11 billion to buy 57
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next year, up from $8.6 billion that was spent to purchase 38 of the fifth-generation stealth fighters, made by Lockheed Martin this year.
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Jeff Head

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It is easy to get confused if you simply rely on all of the myriad of news reports about US Military budgeting.

Many reports look to sensationalize. Many reports have a political/ideological agenda. Many reports are not aware of the process and report as fact things that are early in the process and therefore premature.

Understanding the process can help a lot and Brumby provided a good link to help.
 

thunderchief

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Pentagon Boosts Next Generation Submarines and Bombers

Simply, more money would be spent on aerial and naval forces, and Army will be gutted (Marines to a lesser extent) . Strategically, don't expect large ground operations like in Iraq 2003 or God forbid Ukraine . US would support local forces but no boots on the ground except small contingents of easily deployable troops (like 82nd Division in Iraq recently) .
 

thunderchief

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I guess he doesn't like F-35 very much :D :p

Will the F-35's sensor fusion and low observability (stealth) allow it to overcome its lackluster maneuverability and kinetic performance against future enemies?

I can't answer this one. I can ask, "Why did they make it such a pig?"

If you had to fly any fighter into an air combat arena today, including an operational F-35A as an option, what would it be?

The F-22. It's a better jet than the F-35. It can carry at least as much, further and faster. If it was up to me I'd cancel the F-35 and start building more Raptors. A common counter to that is the cost to restart the F-22 assembly line. How much does one pig cost? Another is that the F-35 program is too far along. Yep, let's just keep paying for a poorly-managed, overly expensive fighter that has three versions that make any one version less than it could be. Can you say F-111? That the F-35's avionics are better than the F-22's; how about a Raptor upgrade? I'd also build more advanced versions of the F-15 and F-16.
 

Air Force Brat

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AF Brat,

I guess your type of thingy.
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absolutely perfect Mr. Brumby, and I am going to give both you and the ThunderChief an A+ for reading the whole article, that civilian Mig-29 is on the same Soviet Airfield here in Central Obamastan where I have personally handled, touched, mulled over and photographed two other civilian Mig-29s, I have not been hands on with Natasha, but her sister is for sale for 4.6 million dollars US. Those four aircraft are at a secret location,,,,, actually, they don't get much flight time, its been four years since Spanky flew Natasha the first time here in Central Obamastan, thanks so much for posting this article, I don't always like Tyler's stuff, but I give him an A+ here, but he did blow off the civilian first flight of Natasha, which is a very big deal...

As the only man on the Sino Defense Forum or defense talk that has handled a Mig-29 and also the Mig-21 two holer, I have a little standing here I hope, Spanky's outright honesty on the F-35 not-withstanding, I truly enjoyed the article, but Spanky does make the point that the BVR kill will likely go to the F-35 due to its very superior avionics. He does take a swipe at it, and he also echoes the old Air Force Brats lament of the F-22 for the ThunderHogge II. Now gentlemen, Spanky called it a pig, the ThunderHogge II is the AFBs own moniker, and one that I believe at some point will became a standard USAF term, as such I should trademark that??? LOL

Good job Mr. Brumby, in fact outstanding job, every poster on Sino Defense who wishes to tout the superiority of the Eastern block aircraft and their Chinese clones really ought to read this article first.
He does also remark that the IRST in the 29 was not usable in real life????
 

Brumby

Major
absolutely perfect Mr. Brumby, and I am going to give both you and the ThunderChief an A+ for reading the whole article, that civilian Mig-29 is on the same Soviet Airfield here in Central Obamastan where I have personally handled, touched, mulled over and photographed two other civilian Mig-29s, I have not been hands on with Natasha, but her sister is for sale for 4.6 million dollars US. Those four aircraft are at a secret location,,,,, actually, they don't get much flight time, its been four years since Spanky flew Natasha the first time here in Central Obamastan, thanks so much for posting this article, I don't always like Tyler's stuff, but I give him an A+ here, but he did blow off the civilian first flight of Natasha, which is a very big deal...

As the only man on the Sino Defense Forum or defense talk that has handled a Mig-29 and also the Mig-21 two holer, I have a little standing here I hope, Spanky's outright honesty on the F-35 not-withstanding, I truly enjoyed the article, but Spanky does make the point that the BVR kill will likely go to the F-35 due to its very superior avionics. He does take a swipe at it, and he also echoes the old Air Force Brats lament of the F-22 for the ThunderHogge II. Now gentlemen, Spanky called it a pig, the ThunderHogge II is the AFBs own moniker, and one that I believe at some point will became a standard USAF term, as such I should trademark that??? LOL

Good job Mr. Brumby, in fact outstanding job, every poster on Sino Defense who wishes to tout the superiority of the Eastern block aircraft and their Chinese clones really ought to read this article first.
He does also remark that the IRST in the 29 was not usable in real life????

When I read the article I thought Spanky spoke just like our Mr Brat except for the F-35 comments. LOL.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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AF Brat,

I guess your type of thingy.
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absolutely perfect Mr. Brumby, and I am going to give both you and the ThunderChief an A+ for reading the whole article, that civilian Mig-29 is on the same Soviet Airfield here in Central Obamastan where I have personally handled, touched, mulled over and photographed two other civilian Mig-29s, I have not been hands on with Natasha, but her sister is for sale for 4.6 million dollars US. Those four aircraft are at a secret location,,,,, actually, they don't get much flight time, its been four years since Spanky flew Natasha the first time here in Central Obamastan, thanks so much for posting this article, I don't always like Tyler's stuff, but I give him an A+ here, but he did blow off the civilian first flight of Natasha, which is a very big deal...

As the only man on the Sino Defense Forum or defense talk that has handled a Mig-29 and also the Mig-21 two holer, I have a little standing here I hope, Spanky's outright honesty on the F-35 not-withstanding, I truly enjoyed the article, but Spanky does make the point that the BVR kill will likely go to the F-35 due to its very superior avionics. He does take a swipe at it, and he also echoes the old Air Force Brats lament of the F-22 for the ThunderHogge II. Now gentlemen, Spanky called it a pig, the ThunderHogge II is the AFBs own moniker, and one that I believe at some point will became a standard USAF term, as such I should trademark that??? LOL

Good job Mr. Brumby, in fact outstanding job, every poster on Sino Defense who wishes to tout the superiority of the Eastern block aircraft and their Chinese clones really ought to read this article first.
He does also remark that the IRST in the 29 was not usable in real life????
When I read the article I thought Spanky spoke just like our Mr Brat except for the F-35 comments. LOL.
 
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