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Jeff Head

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good point :) I searched Russian Internet, found the original claim of
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(shows the Electronic Warfare gear
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) allegedly used by that Su-24, disproved at Russian military forums because, in short, that system was unavailable for Su-24 (still under development)
Good dig (find) Jura. Thanks!

Besides, the picture you link to is a small pod on an SU-34 anyway, not an SU-24.
 
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Good dig (find) Jura. Thanks!

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I thank you, Jeff, and you may like that a Moderator on the Russian forum where "this" was reported for the first time then moved that post to the thread Speculations LOL

But I also like what you said about the Fencer:

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Look, the SU-24 is a good aircraft, even if somewhat dated. ...

and here's the biggest collection of its weaponry I found on a single picture:
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TE, check this:
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The first person to fire a Hellfire missile from a Predator drone in combat and destroy a target writes here about his experience.
(I recall we talked about this kind of things in the thread
'Future Aircraft Carrier Thread; Designs, Ideas, Brainstorms'
now I had to look up its name though)
 

solarz

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TE, check this:
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(I recall we talked about this kind of things in the thread
'Future Aircraft Carrier Thread; Designs, Ideas, Brainstorms'
now I had to look up its name though)

Nice read, but unfortunately I do not share his conclusions. It may not feel like a game to him, someone who has actually flown in a war and seen the devastation first-hand, but as the technology matures, we are likely to see the emergence of drone pilots who have never flown a manned aircraft, and more importantly, have never seen the devastation of war in person.

There is little doubt in my mind that as there are more and more drone combat missions, the pilots will become desensitized to the consequences of their actions.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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It's hard to say, I think it's more a individual by individual thing. Some are going to have the full knowledge that, that ant sized blob of light on the IR display is a living breathing human. and that when they hit the red button they are going to take a life. others are going to shout "BOOM" with glee as the round impacts.

Northrop, BAE pitch helicopter guided missile defenses to US Army
By: DAN PARSONSWASHINGTON DC Source: Flightglobal.com 2 hours ago
Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems have submitted competing proposals for the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase of an effort to improve US Army helicopter defenses against guided missiles.

The companies are in the running to provide army rotorcraft with a common infrared countermeasure (CIRCM) system. CIRCM is envisioned as a laser-based aircraft protection suite to counter threats like man-portable air-defense (MANPAD) missiles, which have proliferated and become more capable in recent years. It will be lightweight, low-cost and modular to suit the army’s various helicopters.

BAE announced the submission of its proposal on 17 November.

“The submission of our CIRCM proposal is the latest offering in our more than 40 years of experience with infrared countermeasures, delivering critical aviation survivability equipment to our armed forces,” Bill Staib, director of threat management solutions at BAE Systems, says in a statement. “We are leveraging the company’s extensive expertise to submit a proposal for a next-generation aircraft survivability solution, which would protect U.S. military aircraft and troops from existing and evolving infrared-guided threats.”

Army helicopters currently are equipped with BAE’s common missile warning system (CMWS) that detects, identifies and declares incoming threats to pilots and crew. CIRCM is design o work seamlessly with CMWS and a dispenser for flares. Some guided missiles are not confused by flares so CIRCM uses lasers to blind their infrared guided (IR) seekers.

BAE’s CIRCM offering and the countermeasures dispenser receive signals from the existing CMWS and automatically determine and deploy appropriate countermeasures.

Northrop confirmed its submission on 18 November but declined to comment for this article. The company’s website describes its CIRCM offering as “designed specifically to protect rotary wing and medium fixed wing aircraft from IR missiles”. It uses a compact pointer/tracker, commercial off-the-shelf processor and quantum cascade laser technology, the company says.

“Our CIRCM offering is built on open architecture to work with existing hardware, simplify upgrades, and keep lifecycle costs low.”

Several companies in 2012 were awarded contracts to participate in the programme’s technology demonstration phase, from which Northrop and BAE emerged as EMD competitors. Both have delivered initial units supported by lab and flight tests. The army plans to award an EMD contract early next year that will last for 26 months and include delivery of 21 CIRCM systems.
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The third offset plan is now official. The F 35 program will likely be the biggest target in town.

I don't see the F-35 being targeted, you have to replace legacy aircraft and that's what the F-35 does for all the partner nations. That being said I see a lot more unmanned platforms coming and more unconventional manufacturing. To me its very much implied that we have to be able to produce lots of platforms cheaply and quickly that are "good enough" to counter and defeat a future enemy, remember the old saying that quantity has a quality all its own. Technology is no longer a viable offset strategy for the military as it was during the cold war, its time to think outside the box . . . again :).
 

Brumby

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I don't see the F-35 being targeted, you have to replace legacy aircraft and that's what the F-35 does for all the partner nations. That being said I see a lot more unmanned platforms coming and more unconventional manufacturing. To me its very much implied that we have to be able to produce lots of platforms cheaply and quickly that are "good enough" to counter and defeat a future enemy, remember the old saying that quantity has a quality all its own. Technology is no longer a viable offset strategy for the military as it was during the cold war, its time to think outside the box . . . again :).

I am not saying that the F 35 program will be at risk from being axed. I suspect the procurement numbers will be revisited because it is the biggest program in town and potential source of funding for other programs that will be given priority coming off the offset plan. You should refer to pages 30,31,39 and 59 of the CSBA document in which the offset plan is laid out. Key words are "range", "stealth", "force structure composition" and "rebalancing". It is the first time the F-35 is referenced as "semi-stealthy" and the issue of limited range being on the same page. The emphasis of the offset program is towards longer range and stealthy strike assets.
 

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Navy Times said:
After 10 days of sea trials here, the differences between the F-35C Lightning II and its predecessors are becoming readily apparent as the plane is launched, trapped and maneuvered topside.

Sailors who got the opportunity to work with the next generation strike fighter said the F-35C has attributes that aren't found elsewhere in the airwing. It has a smoother ride, it's easier to taxi, and it has less complicated landing procedures. In many ways, it does a lot of the heavy lifting itself and takes work away from sailors.

"It's truly an administrative task," said Cmdr. Tony Wilson, the lead test pilot for the F-35C, in an interview Nov. 13 as the 10 day testing wrapped up. Pilots and flight deck crews found the more compact plane easier to fly and maneuver aboard ship, good attributes for an aircraft that's seen many delays and is now slated for a 2018 fleet introduction.

The stealth fighter handles well and its control system cuts the pilot's workload, he said.

The most stressful task in carrier-based aviation — the landing — has been simplified with the delta flight path, a program that partially automates the approach and adjusts the plane's trajectory just seconds before the aircraft reaches the flight deck. This system allows pilots to focus more on other aspects of flying, Wilson said.

"It's going to make landing on the boat a routine task," he said. "This makes it fun," he later added.

Compared to legacy aircraft, the F-35C has a more graceful approach, said Lt. Chris Karapostoles, a landing signal officer assigned to Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23.

Compared to the F/A-18 Super Hornet, also known in aviation circles as the Rhino, the F-35C can adjust its approach faster and smoother, making it more likely to hit the three wire — the ideal landing, Karapostoles said.

'Nothing scary'

Karapostoles' job is to monitor aircraft as they fly in for a landing. Along the way he helps pilots adjust their course, and, if necessary, he waves off landings because of unsafe conditions or a bad approach. The goal is to land aircraft as safely and quickly as possible.

So far there haven't been any wave-offs for a bad approach, but there were a few due to wind and deck motion. It was "nothing scary," Karapostoles said.

One touch-and-go, however, didn't go as well as hoped, officials said. The maneuver was supposed to simulate an approach to a landing, but the aircraft hit the deck too far forward. Had it been a real landing rather than a simulation, the plane's tailhook would have missed the arresting gear, resulting in a bolter where the pilot quickly lifts back off the deck and circles around the carrier to set up for a second attempt, Karapostoles said.

Otherwise the plane has consistently caught the three wire, he said. The three wire is one of four arresting cables on the Nimitz's flight deck and is the preferred landing zone.

The F-35C test pilots have made approximately 100 traps on the Nimitz, and the three wire was caught so many times that the metal cable had to be replaced. The one wire, the cable furthest aft on the flight deck, hadn't been used at all, Wilson said.

"We've been beating up the three wire," he said.

When it snags that wire, pilots have a softer landing in the F-35C than what they're used to in legacy aircraft, Wilson said.

Sailors on the flight deck will notice a few changes as well.

Aviation Boatswain's Mate 1st Class (SW/AW) Matt Beilke said the F-35C isn't as long as F/A-18 Hornets and Super Hornets. On a flight deck and hangar where there are dozens of aircraft, every inch counts and this compact size makes it easier to move aircraft around tight spaces

"The F-35 turns easier," Beilke said. "On the deck it turns on a dime."

Also, it doesn't have to power up as much as legacy aircraft, so there's less hot exhaust on the flight deck, making it a safer environment.

But Beilke also said he can't give a full picture of how well the F-35C will perform in topside maneuvers. Only two F-35Cs and a few other aircraft were on board for the testing. Things might be different when there's a full air wing on board, he said.

He said the F-35C was as loud as other aircraft in the wing, and there didn't seem to be any differences on the flight deck with the one-engine F-35C compared to the two-engine Hornet and Super Hornet.

The test sensors added to the aircraft for flight testing made it a little harder to chain to F-35C and aircraft handlers had to avoid bumping any sensors, he said. Those test sensors will be removed by the time the aircraft hits the fleet. Once that happens, he'll be able to tie up the plane just like he ties up legacy aircraft, he said.

Besides the two-F-35Cs, there were two other new pieces of hardware on the flight deck. Lawnmower-sized generators were brought on board and positioned near the island. Carriers are wired for a 115-volt system to power equipment on legacy aircraft while the F-35C requires a 270-volt system. The generators were put on the deck to provide this alternate voltage.

Officials said that the generators will only be used for carrier tests, and the Navy is adding 270-volt power to carriers during planned availabilities. After receiving the upgrades, carriers will have both 115- and 270-volt systems.

"Ships will be modified," said Jim Gigliotti, the director for F-35C and Navy program manager for Lockheed Martin.

The F-35C made its first carrier trap on Nov. 3. and two of the next-generation aircraft are on the Nimitz for a series of tests. Most of the evaluations focus on catapult launches and landings, and as of Nov. 13 the test team was slightly ahead of schedule and was preparing for the plane's first carrier based launches and recoveries at night.

Future carrier integration tests will evaluate how the F-35C performs with weapons in its bomb bay and with weapons attached underneath its wings.

The Navy plans to purchase 260 F-35Cs to replace aging F/A-18A-D Hornets. The Marine Corps wants 63 F-35Cs for its carrier-based fighter squadrons.

The F-35C is expected to reach initial operating capability in August 2018. By that point the Navy plans to stand up an operational squadron with 10 F-35Cs and trained pilots.
 
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