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Jeff Head

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This is not a humanitarian mission. This is a national security mission.

What is the purpose of the military but to defend the nation against all threats? What American institution is better to counter the threat of a potential Ebola pandemic but the US military? The Peace Corp? It doesn't have the logistic capability or the experience to handle a crisis of such magnitude.
Shen, I am not going to argue politics.

It is not a military mission.

There are numerous efforts that can be undertaken, and IMHO, should be undertaken (including the use of the Peace Corps which could in fact be mobilized to build hospitals) to help halt the spread of this disease in the name of National Security without having to send soldiers to build hospitals in West Africa.

If it was truly about national security, and not about politics in an election year and the need to show this administration somehow using the military ... those other efforts would have already been set up and executed.

But they have not.

This is not a military mission.
 
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Jeff Head

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Well Raider is intended to take the Kiowa warrior/ Little bird Role that means light weapons high sensors. The Defiant It's eventual bigger sister.
Both the Raider and Defiant are going to be GREAT aircraft. Long overdue significant upgrades to US military rotary technology.
 
I don't think it's been posted here yet ...
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Scratch

Captain
I like those rigid rotors, and as much as I normally hate contra-rotating main rotors, even on the black shark, these rigid rotors are no doubt composite and very stiff,,,, hence a very short lovely rotor mast for a contra bird, ...

Here's a quick look at those two birds for you. I've always liked the idea of the contra rotors, now with the pusher at the back, these hybrid designs are another step.
The two rotors are much closer together on the Raider. Altough, it's also a much lighter helo, with the blades bearing a lot less strain during maneuvering.

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
And the scale is about right on these to.
but something to think about, the never exceed speed on the Kamov is 189kts The Raider blows past it at 240 Kts. cruising speed of the Kamov is 146 kts The Raider? She Aims for 220 Kts. Kamov has a higher Ceiling at 18000 ft vs Raiders 10000, but raider has a longer range at 354 miles to Kamov's 294. Raider is faster, Raider is also a transport she carries a 2 man crew with up to 6 passengers KA52 carries only a 2 man crew. if this was a boxing match the Kamov is a heavyweight she is slower and bigger but packs a mean punch. Her armament is that of a full attack chopper with a fixed mounted 30mm cannon and 6 hard points for rockets missiles and bombs. the Kamov is Mike Tyson all about aggression, the Raider is Rose Namajunas she jabs she kicks she is a lightweight but she has more attacks as she is a mixed martial artist.
 

FORBIN

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USS America Joins the Fleet

SAN FRANCISCO (NNS) -- USS America (LHA 6), the Navy's newest and most technologically advanced amphibious assault ship, was commissioned during a formal ceremony at Pier 30/32 during San Francisco Fleet Week, Oct. 11.

More than 8,000 friends, family members and invited guests gathered in front of the ship to witness its introduction to the fleet.

During the ceremony, Adm. Harry B. Harris, commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, commended the crew for their performance during acceptance trials and sailing around South America. He said because conflict and crisis can arise at any time, warships like America will be needed as the nation conducts its strategic rebalance to the Pacific.

At the conclusion of his remarks, Harris introduced Secretary of the Navy the Honorable Ray Mabus, who spoke of the importance of having a ship named America join the fleet.

"This ship, forged in a shipyard in my home state of Mississippi, with components and systems and parts manufactured all across this great country, is a symbol of the long and historic links between the citizens of this country and our Navy and Marine Corps who defend them," Mabus said. "Having a ship named the America, sailing the world's oceans, defending freedom and peace and helping those in need, as we have for more than two centuries, is crucial to America and to our Navy and Marine Corps."

Following Mabus' remarks, in a time-honored Navy tradition, Mrs. Lynne Pace, ship sponsor and wife of retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. Peter Pace, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, gave the order, "Man our ship and bring her to life!"

The crew responded by saying "Aye, aye, ma'am" and began running toward the brow to man the ship as the Navy Band Southwest played "Anchors Aweigh." Crew members took their places, side-by-side, manning the rails as the ship's systems came online. Radars, weapon systems, and other parts of the ship began moving to symbolize the ship "coming to life."

After the crew manned the rails, Capt. Robert A. Hall Jr., commanding officer of USS America, stepped forward to deliver his remarks.

"To the crew of USS America, as plankowners we've been granted awesome responsibility and great privilege to send America out to sea on the right course," Hall said. "You've worked extremely hard thus far to get her to this point, performing extraordinarily on our maiden voyage around South America. I thank you for that incredible effort, and I'll tell you, it's just the beginning."

Hall said the ship is named after the greatest country on Earth and spoke of the legacy America will carry forward. "It's only the greatest country because it values everyone's contributions," said Hall. "It takes every one of us doing our part, working together, dedicating ourselves to preserving the ideals of freedom and democracy that make this country great."

America is the first ship of its class and the fourth ship named "America." The first America was originally a racing schooner launched in 1851 and served in the Navy until 1873 before returning to civilian life. In 1921, she was presented to the Navy for preservation as a relic and remained at the U.S. Naval Academy until being scrapped in 1945. The second America transported troops during World War I. The third ship to bear the name was a Kitty-Hawk class aircraft carrier, CV 66, which supported operations from the Vietnam War through Operation Desert Storm.

America weighs 44,971-tons, is 844 feet in length and has an overall beam of 106 feet. It's equipped with a fuel-efficient, hybrid electric propulsion system, the same built for USS Makin Island (LHD 8), which is an energy initiative designed to give the ship the benefit of increased range, endurance, and time on station, enhancing its combat capability. It also provides greater flexibility in scheduling refueling and reduces maintenance costs.

The ship is optimized for aviation and will be capable of supporting current and future aircraft, such as the tilt-rotor MV-22 Osprey and F-35B Joint Strike Fighter. It was designed with additional aviation spaces and provides increased aviation capacity, including an enlarged hangar deck, the realignment and expansion of aviation maintenance facilities which provide a significant increase in available stowage for parts and support equipment, and increased aviation fuel capacity.

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Tripoli LHA-7 planned for be commissioned in 2018.
 
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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Both USS Tripoli and America will be "air centric" flat tops

The America is optimised for air combat operations and will carry more than 1.3 million gallons of JP-5 fuel the Wasp Class manages only 40% of that around 535,000 gallons of JP-5 fuel

In addition the America Class can produce more fresh water over 250,000 gallons per day

A typical lay out of America Class will be

6-8 x F35B
12 x MV-22B
4-6 x CH-53E

Plus other smaller units

The America Class will work well with the JMSDF Izumo Class flat top two very powerful ships
 

Air Force Brat

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Here's a quick look at those two birds for you. I've always liked the idea of the contra rotors, now with the pusher at the back, these hybrid designs are another step.
The two rotors are much closer together on the Raider. Altough, it's also a much lighter helo, with the blades bearing a lot less strain during maneuvering.

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That's very good Scratch, it appears the lower rotor on the S-97 has a shorter span, and would therefore flex MUCH less than the co-ax system on the Kamov???? Very interesting, comparison, also TE I would imagine the 10,000 foot ceiling of the S-97 could be for hovering, as one of its objectives is for High and Hot insertions and extractions, one of our real concerns in Afghanistan???

If you've seen the Red Bull B-105 demonstration, that is mainly due to the benefit of a very rigid rotor, the pilot of the Red Bull bird does NOT want his son, or another friend to be a protégé, or attempt to do what he does, as his maestro status is more intuition and feel, than hard data???? something to that effect,,,, "Do Not Try This At Home Kids" basically.

Like the Osprey, the USAF will likely be the main Raider-maniacs, due to the desire for a stealthy speed bird for aircrew extraction, one of the reasons the love the Osprey....
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Sorry but have to correct you on this brat, The USMC is the main Osprey buyer the USAF bought a few dozen compared to the few hundred of the Marines. The Raiders prime target is the US Army, her sensors and her weapons choices were selected for the replacement program of the Kiowa Warrior. As to Special Operations the USAF, USN and Army all operate helicopter special operations units, but the USAF prefers fixed wing aviation although they have a few HH60s and they ordered (not sure if its on again ) HH47s. The MH53 having retired. USAF special operations squadrons have CV22 but there prime time special ops programs are built around C130 variants, as well as some smaller foreign makes of transports. The USN and US Army operate the larger rotary wing special operations elements. But the Navy likes to keep a simplified fleet based around H60s, in the future the Marines MV22 might be worked in and eventually perhaps a replacement for the H60, but Raider is not targeted for that, the Marines lack a light combat helicopter role there Hueys and cobras both in the lower end of the medium class, both twin engines. 160 SOAR is the best bet. There's is Special operations largest Varity of notary wing assets, MH6, MH60,MH47. MH6 or little bird is the MD500 Defender a modernization of the OH6 one of the longest serving helicopters in the US military. Oh6 in main service was replaced by Oh56 Kiowa warrior. So if the Army was looking to replace the Kiowas then the OH6 is even longer in the tooth.
Raider compares best to this class. Her troop compartment holds 6 she is the proper size and weight with the right weapons options and a single engine. Add to this her speed, and the SOAR was said to be very interested in adding it to there fleets.
JMR M which has in it the FVL demonstrators by Sikorsky Boeing in the form of the Defiant and Bell Lockheed Martin in the Valor V280, which ever bird is selected in that program is likely to be the one in Use by all the services and Special operations. Particularly with the Army and Marines who if they are smart would joint venture as replacements for the Blackhawk/Iroquois family and development attack versions to replace Apache/Cobra
 

Jeff Head

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The USMC is the main Osprey buyer the USAF bought a few dozen compared to the few hundred of the Marines. The Raiders prime target is the US Army, her sensors and her weapons choices were selected for the replacement program of the Kiowa Warrior.
An it would be an excellent choice for replacing the Kiowa.

BTW, 28 more posts TE and you join that SD 5K club.

Good on ya!
 
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