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Skywatcher

Captain
There does now seem to be a gender Quota. Something to keep in mind is that despite what some might think The Us Army is actually in line with the population figures. about 60% of the US Army officer, Warrant, and Enlisted in the guard, Reserves and Active army Check marked "White" on there paperwork in 2012. I know Shock Horror! Guess what compare that to the comparable US population Demographics of 2010 and guess what. 72 % White. The Enlisted numbers across the Army are a virtual match for the Population Demographics with one exception Hispanics make up less of the Ranks compared to there population. And in the officer Ranks there are a higher number of African Americans 13% in uniform compared to the 9% of General population of African Americans aged 25-54 with Bachelor's degrees. So This seems a more political story.

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I think combat units tend to disproportionately be lead by Academy graduates and the like, and said graduates tend to be white because a lot of Academy grads come from families with military history, which thanks to historical reasons, were usually white.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Sorry Sky but the Statistics don't agree. The Main Combat units of the US army are the Active duty elements. they had 13% African American Officer demo, thats slightly better then the national demographic. Hispanic was still statistically low Asian matched national averages same for Other And White stood at 72% which is equal to the national statistics. Is there a population disparity? yes but it matches the general population diversity. in other words the Active officer Corps of the US army statistically matches a Scaled model of the US population. The Question then comes down to combat arms MOS. How many Infantry officers are "Minorities". Getting in to combat MOS is a matter of performance, elective choice and training in other words they have to choose to be there.
 
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Skywatcher

Captain
Sorry Sky but the Statistics don't agree. The Main Combat units of the US army are the Active duty elements. they had 13% African American Officer demo, thats slightly better then the national demographic. Hispanic was still statistically low Asian matched national averages same for Other And White stood at 72% which is equal to the national statistics. Is there a population disparity? yes but it matches the general population diversity. in other words the Active officer Corps of the US army statistically matches a Scaled model of the US population. The Question then comes down to combat arms MOS. How many Infantry officers are "Minorities". Getting in to combat MOS is a matter of performance, elective choice and training in other words they have to choose to be there.

Right, I meant to say MOS.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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I don't have time to look up the actual figures but for the USN enlisted personnel 65% are white and about 35% are non.white. With African -Americans making up 20%(?) of the total enlisted force. My numbers are off the top of my head and are at least two years old.

Makes no difference to me what color those that are serving are. None what so ever. A shipmate is a shipmate no matter the color or gender...and it should make no difference to anyone one reading this forum.. but alas....I KNOW race still matters to so many people.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
getting a Combat MOS is not always a given for a legacy cadet. nor is it always a cadet form West Point. Mustangs can also get top postings. A combat MOS though is Critical for getting top stars and billets in command of the Army. Just as a Navy Dentist will never command a Carrier group a Army Culinary officer has no business commanding operations in theater. Getting a Combat MOS is what matters And it's not always someone wearing a West point sword.
Case in point four Generals
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Particularly of interest is General Shalikashvili he served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs from October 25, 1993 until September 30, 1997. He held a Bachelor's form Bradley University, Was Born in Georgia, The Country not the state is the only foreign born generals to ever have been Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And went through Officer candidate School after already having served as a Private.

As Pops said when in uniform it's a meritocracy, When at higher ranks politics of the army, What ribbons not what skin. When in uniform since the re-total integration ( it was Done Twice) of the DOD There is only one Color Green. Or blue for the squids :p
 
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Air Force Brat

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I don't have time to look up the actual figures but for the USN enlisted personnel 65% are white and about 35% are non.white. With African -Americans making up 20%(?) of the total enlisted force. My numbers are off the top of my head and are at least two years old.

Makes no difference to me what color those that are serving are. None what so ever. A shipmate is a shipmate no matter the color or gender...and it should make no difference to anyone one reading this forum.. but alas....I KNOW race still matters to so many people.

I am probably in the minority, and I agree that color shouldn't matter. I do not however feel that should apply to gender, and the Chickification of the USAF has NO DOUBT in my mind, harmed the ability of the USAF to perform its Combat Mission. I have seven daughters, if one of them had an interest and was qualified and capable, I would fully support their decision to enter the military,,,,,,,, two of them "play" with guns, both of their husbands are in the US Army, one active, and one reserve, neither of them has the psyche to be a combat troop, heck I doubt I have the psyche to be a combat troop. My point is that with-out a natural aptitude for certain roles, you are a danger to yourself and others, if you happen to be there because of some quota, that is "INSANE".....

Lets take just one such role, the role of combat aircraft commander, if you are flying a C-130, you have to be able to not only fly the aircraft, but to do it naturally, while being situationally aware of not only terrain, and aircraft performance, but of ground fire, surface to air missles, and enemy fighter aircraft...... some women are actually very good at this, and I have no problem with them flying the airplane as well as the additional responsibilities that every officer has......to enable your aircraft and crew to survive, you "must" be able to improvise and operate the aircraft in very unconventional configurations and to fly a mission "profile" that may require a good bit of thinking and even horsing the airplane around, it is hard physical work, and requires great mental and physical stamina..... you have to be able to "break" the rules, and think outside the box, many women do have problems with that, I'm not talking about being reckless or crazy, I'm talking about the times when "standard operating procedures" will guarantee mission failure and loss of life, you must understand your aircraft, as well as its design and performance, and where you have a margin and how wide that margin is......

If we were to then move our lady aircraft commander into the F-22, then the game becomes exponentially more difficult, as you not only have to fly, but also "fight" the aircraft. MOST MEN are NOT capable of flying this aircraft to its limits, much less fight it to its limits, but because it is a "peachy" assignment, and on the road to upward mobility, I "know" that there are people flying that aircraft today, who are "marginal" to say the least. Political correctness, quotas, "recruitment poster" mentality will not only hurt combat readiness, but will endanger the individual airman and their fellow airman, and others in "proximity", when certain people pick up a gun, I move away, far away, and out of the line of fire, the same applies for aircraft, probably tanks and other vehicles etc. In real life the F-22 pilot must of necessity be something of a "superman", very smart, a great pilot, a good shot and capable of intuitive airmanship, flying the airplane is something like "chewing gum" to this character, then he has to be in "outstanding" physical condition, this airplane will hurt you if you are NOT in shape to fly it, or even if you are. Very few men are able to meet the challenges of this aircraft, and when it comes to women, very few are physically "strong enough" to operate it near its limits....

this is just one job, but there are others that fall into the same category, we MUST NOT allow political correctness to "hamstring" our military, it is for certain the Chinese, nor the Russians will allow that, and it is the height of ignorance to pretend that any "quarter" will be given by our adversaries.... avoiding war is often about perceptions, if your potential adversaries perceive that you are weak, that greatly increases the chances that they will engage you, that's why Ronald Reagan's peace through strength continues to be the "winning" strategy. The bottom line is that whether in peace or God forbid, in war, you must be able to win, and win decisively and quickly.....period
 

bd popeye

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Well.. I still say a shipmate is a shipmate..

However I posted this back in July and these have always been my feelings regarding women serving in the ,military.

I've never stated women should not serve. I do feel they should not serve aboard ships with men. Someday perhaps the PLAN and other navies will have ships with all females crew.

Women as long as they are qualified should serve in the military if they so desire. However I do not feel they should serve along side men in combat situations.

Each and every navy on this Earth will operate it's navy as they see fit. I'm just expressing my opinion and have no intention of arguing with anyone.

Thank you.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The USAF Aggressor and US Navy/ USMC group Adversary groups are know for not only mimicking potential real enemy livery's but also testing and experimenting with camo paint jobs as well. The Navy birds for a time were even painted with design details of threat types from time to time. There is a story that in the 1980s a F14 from the Navy adversary groups had engine problems and was forced to land at a nearby Air Force base. The ground crew were convinced they had a SU27 defector on there hands until they got closer. The painted on details and the shape of the F14 was that close.
 
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