MwRYum
Major
It ain't "rifle", though under a boarder term it still is...as long as its barrel isn't a smoothbore type.
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It ain't "rifle", though under a boarder term it still is...as long as its barrel isn't a smoothbore type.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I said "Kinda"
kwaigonegin
Colonel
I'll take one please. The tracking point scope is actually available for civilian purchase though but the price point is too high.
bull pups look like the weapons of the "storm troupers, I'm not a fan, if I'm going to carry a rifle, I want a rifle cartridge, if I'm carrying a pistol, I want a handgun cartridge. I really don't think I want the US military copying anybody's short weapon, a bull pup is a lousy rifle, even when chambered in 5.56, lots of noise, the action is much to close to your face, and the spent cartridge is shucking very close to your body. Any of the AR family above will point and shoot much more accurately, and to be very frank, I don't WANT the military doing civilian police work, and I don't want civilian police doing military work, it is a very bad precident to set, and I believe it is a very poor way to do either job. So let the Europeans keep their bull pup!, and I'll keep my AR. thanks brat
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
That is a very valid point Kiwi of course on the upside Trackingpoint even throws in the rifle. With some more development and if they built it as a user retrofit kit they could probably halve the price. A few more years of work and maybe just maybe it could get to comparable to a higher end conventional telescopic sight. Which still costs more then most rifles.
@Mmy / equation
if you think about it the US has used a lot of bull pups it's just they have never used a real bull pup rifle. I mean just about every modern semiautomatic pistol and Machine pistol could be looked at as a bull pup, it has the magazine feed and operation behind or above the trigger so that's M1911, M1911a1, Mk22, M9, M9A1, MK23, Mini 23, Sig 226, M11( Sig228), Glock, HK45, Uzi, Mac10,B+T MP9 and HK MP7A1.
Navy seals are known to have at least tested FNP90 that's considered a bull pup and finally the M60 series Machine guns.
but as to adopting a full Bull Assault rifle? Its not likely in fact I would consider it near impossible. First problem is caliber. The US government seems unlikely to adopt a new weapon to replace AR if said new weapons do not offer a massive amount of performance change. The only way to do that is to change caliber. NATO spec says no command says no.
second problem, Berry Amendment. The US will never adopt a system whose manufacture is totally imported. The US army leans to US production for national security, Quality control and ease of logistics. Until last year only one or two makers did more the bull a Kalashnikov. In the US there were only Styre AUG clones maybe FS2000 but few and far between normally low quality to. Other then that there were fly by nite affairs. Last year IWI stole the show with Tavor outside of that Kel Tec has failed to deliver with its RFB this coming year two more from desert tech.
three features.
M4 is considered the most ergonomic service rifle yet in service. Its very user friendly. Most bull pups aren't even registered to compete. Any issued American bull has to ergonomic. Almost none can
I do see some future for Bullpups in the US military desert tech I think will get a order form JSOC for there SRS but only in smaller batches.
Seals Airforce and army might look at Desert techs new bull pup mini carbines for PDW roles.
@Mmy / equation
if you think about it the US has used a lot of bull pups it's just they have never used a real bull pup rifle. I mean just about every modern semiautomatic pistol and Machine pistol could be looked at as a bull pup, it has the magazine feed and operation behind or above the trigger so that's M1911, M1911a1, Mk22, M9, M9A1, MK23, Mini 23, Sig 226, M11( Sig228), Glock, HK45, Uzi, Mac10,B+T MP9 and HK MP7A1.
Navy seals are known to have at least tested FNP90 that's considered a bull pup and finally the M60 series Machine guns.
but as to adopting a full Bull Assault rifle? Its not likely in fact I would consider it near impossible. First problem is caliber. The US government seems unlikely to adopt a new weapon to replace AR if said new weapons do not offer a massive amount of performance change. The only way to do that is to change caliber. NATO spec says no command says no.
second problem, Berry Amendment. The US will never adopt a system whose manufacture is totally imported. The US army leans to US production for national security, Quality control and ease of logistics. Until last year only one or two makers did more the bull a Kalashnikov. In the US there were only Styre AUG clones maybe FS2000 but few and far between normally low quality to. Other then that there were fly by nite affairs. Last year IWI stole the show with Tavor outside of that Kel Tec has failed to deliver with its RFB this coming year two more from desert tech.
three features.
M4 is considered the most ergonomic service rifle yet in service. Its very user friendly. Most bull pups aren't even registered to compete. Any issued American bull has to ergonomic. Almost none can
I do see some future for Bullpups in the US military desert tech I think will get a order form JSOC for there SRS but only in smaller batches.
Seals Airforce and army might look at Desert techs new bull pup mini carbines for PDW roles.
You have a talent for story telling
thanks, I enjoy it, it makes life more interesting, and helps to frame some issues, I enjoy your posts as well, and we have some very talented writers here on the Sino Defense, I try to read every post on the several threads I follow, and sometimes I re-read them if I "don't get it???"hope your having a great day down under, I am a little tired of winter up here. He he
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
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I looked UGLY AIRPLANE up in Webster's, and sho nuf up comes the A-12. avenger??? more like the Dorito! Tell me the truth, you were eating a bag of Dorito "Flamas" weren't you???? Terran, those suckers are hot, and really, What was the Navy thinking????? really???? this thing is UGLY, and a FAT, Tailless, Flying Wing?????? I admit the B-2 isn't the most gorgeous airplane I've ever seen, but it does have a certain KREEPY KOOL thang goin, kinda like the batplane, I saw one at about 15,000 one evening around sunset in the clouds, kinda gives ya goosebumps, but the A-12, they should all be beaten with a floppy disc. McDonald Douglas hasn't hand a winner since the F-15, F-18, era, unless you want to count the Super Hornet! I also saw the B-2 on a couple of low fast passes at an airshow at Scott, AFB, here in beautiful Central Obamastan, I must confess, I do like it, but he A-12, you'd hafta be an engineering wonk, (no offense gentlemen, I love engineers), to get next to that thing, for dang sho, the designer was NOT a pilot??? brat