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Jeff Head

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It is interesting an LST made the intercept, a Type 072 is mentioned.

If Liaoning was out at sea, was the LST part of that group? Or was the LST part of some outer "defensive" perimeter to shoo away unwanted attention?

While there's nothing new for the US to learn, clearly there's still the interest to send a ship in to shadow.

I do find the titles of these articles misleading, trying to ward off Cowpens is quite different from trying to make it stop. Getting in front of Cowpens was probably more of an attempt to force a course change rather than a full stop.
As I understood it, a Chinese DDG gave the first warning and the Cowpens ignored it. It was after this that a Type 072 maneuvered in such a way that the Cowpens had to turn away to avoid it.

I believe the Type 072 was there as a part of whatever exercises, and after the Cowpens maneuvered past the initial vessel, it made its way to get in the way of the Cowpens.

After this, I believe the Cowpens kept a greater distance...but do not know exactly how things went after that.
 

shen

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As I understood it, a Chinese DDG gave the first warning and the Cowpens ignored it. It was after this that a Type 072 maneuvered in such a way that the Cowpens had to turn away to avoid it.

I believe the Type 072 was there as a part of whatever exercises, and after the Cowpens maneuvered past the initial vessel, it made its way to get in the way of the Cowpens.

After this, I believe the Cowpens kept a greater distance...but do not know exactly how things went after that.

according to the Washington Time article, Liaoning contacted USS Cowpens through direct radio communication and resolved the differences.
 

Blitzo

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If Liaoning really was at sea when this happened (and has it left sanya yet?) then I wish we would've gotten pictures of it lol.

Maybe the crew of cowpens had, depending on how close they got.
 

Blackstone

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First things First.
cold war noun
the Cold War : the nonviolent conflict between the U.S. and the former U.S.S.R. after 1945

: a conflict or dispute between two groups that does not involve actual fighting

Full Definition of COLD WAR

1
: a conflict over ideological differences carried on by methods short of sustained overt military action and usually without breaking off diplomatic relations; specifically often capitalized C&W : the ideological conflict between the United States and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics during the second half of the 20th century — compare hot war
China and the US aren't in an ideological struggle, so this doesn't fit.


2
: a condition of rivalry, mistrust, and often open hostility short of violence especially between power groups (as labor and management)

There's no open violence between China and the US; EP3 over Hainan was an accident, and there was no violence from the Chinese boats harassing the USS Impeccable (unless you count the water cannon?). And if your definition of cold war is "condition of rivalry and mistrust," then the US is in cold wars with Pakistan and some Latin American nations, Taiwan and Japan are in a cold war, and Australia's in a cold war with Indonesia. None of which is true.

The original poster said China replaced the Soviet Union in the cold war with the US, and I don't think you've made the case for it. China and the US are not in a cold war. Not yet, anyway.
 

lcloo

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May be China should invite US Navy observation group onboard Liaoning each time they go to sea. There is nothing to leak as US Navy already is the master of CV operation, this will avoid the kind of poking by US navy ships, and who knows the Chinese may get some advice from the US observation group and learn something.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
May be China should invite US Navy observation group onboard Liaoning each time they go to sea. There is nothing to leak as US Navy already is the master of CV operation, this will avoid the kind of poking by US navy ships, and who knows the Chinese may get some advice from the US observation group and learn something.

More engagements between US and China militaries would help to foster greater understanding and maybe even a little more trust. However, Japan is the burr under the saddle of Sino-America relations, and no sustainable partnership can be formed until Japan is out from US military protection. It means a fully rearmed Japan and whatever it takes to make it feel secure vis-a-vis China, including nuclear weapons.
 

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World Maritime News said:
The future USS Jackson (LCS 6) launched from the Austal USA shipyard in Mobile, Ala., Dec. 14, marking an important production milestone for the littoral combat ship program.

Jackson joins the future USS Milwaukee (LCS 5), which will launch from the Marinette Marine Corp. yard in Wisconsin next week.

These ships are the first vessels procured under the block buy contract awarded in 2010 and represent the true beginning of “serial production” for the class. With serial production, the Navy is able to realize benefits such as improved cost structure per vessel and reduced construction time.

“Seeing multiple littoral combat ships on the Mobile waterfront is a beautiful thing,” said Capt. Tom Anderson, LCS program manager. “Serial production is in full swing at both building yards and we are seeing ship construction milestones.”

Following the launch, the ship will undergo outfitting, and test and evaluation of its major systems at the Austal shipyard.

The ship’s christening, a ceremony that marks the official naming of the vessel, is planned for the spring.

The LCS class consists of two variants, the trimaran design Independence variant, and the monohull design Freedom variant. The ships are designed and built by two industry teams, led by Austal USA and Lockheed Martin, respectively. Jackson is the third LCS constructed by Austal USA.

Both variants within the LCS class are fast, agile, focused-mission platforms designed for operation in near-shore environments yet capable of open ocean operation. The LCS is designed to embark specialized mission packages to defeat “anti-access” threats such as mines, quiet diesel submarines and fast surface craft.

The Navy has been able to incorporate much of the knowledge gained in the construction, test and operation of LCS 1 and LCS 2, the lead ships of the class, into follow on ships.

Many of those are currently in various stages of construction, and will deliver to the Navy over the next few years. They include Jackson’s sister ships; Montgomery (LCS 8), Gabrielle Giffords (LCS 10), Omaha (LCS 12), Manchester (LCS 14) and Tulsa (LCS 16).

Program Executive Office Littoral Combat Ships is affiliated with the Naval Sea Systems Command and provides a single program executive responsible for acquiring and sustaining mission capabilities of the littoral combat ship class, from procurement through fleet employment and sustainment. Delivering high-quality warfighting assets while balancing affordability and capability is key to supporting the Navy’s Maritime Strategy.

Current status and build plan for the LCS fleet:


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US Navy said:
NAVAL AIR STATION JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (NNS) -- The last Navy sensor operator to track a Soviet submarine from a P-3C Orion, retired after 32 years of service and 6,000 flight hours, at a ceremony Dec. 7.

Master Chief Naval Air Crewman Spence Cunningham had just returned from mobilization with Patrol Squadron Six Two (VP-62) to Japan and was hanging up his flight suit.

"This is the perfect opportunity to celebrate not only his career, but our recent deployment," said Cmdr. Jonathan Townsend, VP-62's commanding officer.

The mobilization of Reservists was part of the transition from the P-3C Orion to the P-8A Poseidon. As Active Duty squadrons come out of their regular deployment cycle to transition to the P-8, the two Reserve squadrons, VP-62 and VP-69, stepped up to cover the manning shortfall in theater.

During the six-month deployment, Reserve crews flew missions all over the Western Pacific region.

"On Aug. 16, we had members in seven countries," said Townsend.

They also flew more than 70 hours in the aftermath of the Philippines typhoon, directing Marines on the ground and assisting with search and rescue efforts.

Cunningham began his Navy career in 1981 and soon entered the P-3 training pipeline. Serving first as a radar operator then an acoustic sensor operator.

"This aircraft and I have been linked since I was a young boy," said Cunningham.

While on active duty, he served in Signonella, Italy, and Bermuda tracking various classes of Soviet submarines as they patrolled the Atlantic Ocean and Mediterranean Sea.

He left active duty in 1990 and joined the VP-62 'Broadarrows' in Jacksonville. Nearly a dozen members of the squadron, on active duty the day of Cunningham's retirement, had not been born when he joined the squadron.

While attached to VP-62, Cunningham held many positions from NATOPS 'Bluecard' instructor to detachment CPO (chief petty officer) and for a while, was the command master chief. All the while, maintaining combat aircrew qualifications.
Meanwhile, his civilian positions had a direct relationship to his Navy Reserve job. He held positions with several local Jacksonville defense contractors that have supported the training efforts of the P-3 force, including curriculum development, specifically the Block Mod Update and ASUW Improvement Programs for the P-3. He was also an initial member of, and later managed the Revision and Maintenance effort for the P-3 Fleet Replacement Squadron, VP-30.

"I'll be around giving new operators the foundation they need to build their careers, and loving every minute of it," said Cunningham.

Fair winds and a following Sea Master Chief!
 
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MwRYum

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May be China should invite US Navy observation group onboard Liaoning each time they go to sea. There is nothing to leak as US Navy already is the master of CV operation, this will avoid the kind of poking by US navy ships, and who knows the Chinese may get some advice from the US observation group and learn something.

That'd require a totally ramped-up level of engagement between USN and PLAN (that is, at an alliance level), and before that to have the US lifted all the embargoes on hi-tech and military exports to China...trust me, if and when the US came to ask for even to station a liaison or a hotline for such a purpose, that's the kind of price tag China will demand, if they'd even bother to entertain such request at all.

In today's overture of encirclement and containment policy against China (heck, even the NASA is barred from engaging any co-op with their China's counterpart, via an Act passed by the US Congress), you're asking for something in the "until Hell freezes over" category.
 
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