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Michael90

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We must be rightfully concerned with this development. Starship, when operational is most certainly going to help with this, they can actually put massive amounts into orbit, and maybe defeat MAD. That is why Chinese launch providers need to step up their game and compete with spacex directly. There is a huge potential military advantage with starship being able to put so much into orbit so quickly.
Yes but that will take a lot of time. You can't rush this. China doesn't even have any operational reusable rocket yet(not even a small/medium one) . So to talk about a super heavy fully reusable rocket is too far fetched as of now.. Gotta learn to crawl before walking. One thing at a time.
 

bebops

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Someone mentioned the operational cost of launching LM is cheaper than reusable Spacex. Does China really need to develop a resuable version if their launch cost is cheaper than spacex?
 

SlothmanAllen

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China would still gain efficiencies with the reusable like $ savings and higher launch rates.
Yeah, even without Starship, Falcon 9 greatly outclasses anything China has for getting stuff into LEO. They launched 134 Falcon rockets last year while the Long March family launched 49. SpaceX has consistently increased their launched cadence every year and will do so again this year with the goal of hitting 180 launches.

I think the US also has superior launch infrastructure. Canaveral, Vandenberg and Kennedy are the three busiest launch facilities in the world. Vandenberg scaled from one launch in 2020 to 47 in 2024.

On the other hand, Chinese orbital launches have been stuck around 60 some odd launches per year for the last several years. I am not sure if they are struggling with building more infrastructure, rockets or both.
 
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HighGround

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Yeah, even without Starship, Falcon 9 greatly outclasses anything China has for getting stuff into LEO. They launched 134 Falcon rockets last year. while the Long March family launched 49. SpaceX has consistently increased their launched cadence every year and will do so again this year with the goal of hitting 180 launches.

I think the US also has superior launch infrastructure. Canaveral, Vandenberg and Kennedy are the three busiest launch facilities in the world. Vandenberg scaled from one launch in 2020 to 47 in 2024.

On the other hand, Chinese orbital launches have been stuck around 60 some odd launches per year for the last several years. I am not sure if they are struggling with building more infrastructure, rockets or both.
I haven't followed the China Space thread all that closely on this Forum, but from what I can somewhat tell, there's a lot of testing, planning, and prototyping. IMO, the current state of the Chinese space program feels roughly like China's naval program in the early 2000s. On the precipice of exploding out of control in just a 3-5 years.
 

bebops

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I think so too.

They have the puzzle pieces but just needed to put them all together. Very soon, they will be launching two rockets per day. The total launch count will spike up.
 
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