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HighGround

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Considering that the U.S. has flying B21 prototypes and its existing B2 fleet compared to Chinas still vapor H20… Xi’s translator did hear correctly.
Still it was a hilarious choice of image to use. To be fair of all the despots in Czar Vladimir’s Pokédex Assad at least has a trade he can fall back on. Given Russian casualties I am sure Dr. Assad can open up his eye surgery clinic.
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Fair enough about the B-21, but calling H-20 vapor is harsh. Very little information on that program.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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HighGround said:
Fair enough about the B-21, but calling H-20 vapor is harsh. Very little information on that program.
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Vaporware
- software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed.

So it fits the definition. Same for American NGADs.
 
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bebops

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Per unit cost of B-2 & B-21 (per Air Force)Listed base year dollars:Adjusted 2024 dollars:
B-2 Spirit:$1,157 million base 1998$2,250 million
B-21 Raider:$692 million base 2022$749 million

These are rough price estimate. very expensive planes. B-21 is not much cheaper. After each yearly adjusted, the price tag increases. 2025 price might be 775-800m for B-21. Nationalinterest also stated the same price for B2.

JH36 might cost 300+ mil each given that J20 2 engine cost around 120mil. A 3 engine JH36 is still substantially cheaper than compared to a B-21 2 engine bomber.

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vincent

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HighGround said:
Even if this was feasible on a manufacturing level, it's getting increasingly more dangerous on a fiscal level. The country is running a budget deficit of $1+ trillion dollars every year. This is nearly ~3.7% of GDP today, dangerously close to the GDP growth rate. Possible future tax cuts, increased tariffs, inevitably increasing social spending, and your proposed military expenditure expansion... this will likely outpace GDP growth.

Increasing Debt-to-GDP ratios is all fine and good, and we don't really have a clear idea on how far we can push this lever, but it is risky. The solvency of United States is ultimately dependent on USD's primacy as a reserve currency and our dominance of the global economy and financial system. It is increasingly dangerous to strain this status quo.

The Pentagon likely has an enormous wish-list for things it needs to compete and possibly defeat China in its own turf. I don't think we are capable of fulfilling that wish list even if we spent the money, and I am becoming increasingly convinced that it's also fiscally irresponsible to do so.

I'm not a debt hawk, debt was not an issue in 2008, but it has become a bigger issue as the years have gone by, and it is most definitely an issue now in 2024. There are no easy answers to our strategic situation, but in times of uncertainty, I believe it's best to bide your time and focus on the fundamentals. IMO, it is unfortunately a time to look inward, even if that means abandoning many of our security commitments.
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The interest payment is already higher than the Pentagon budget, and now the long-term interest rate is going back up. Good luck maintaining the size of the US military.

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CannedFish

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bebops said:
JH36 might cost 300+ mil each given that J20 2 engine cost around 120mil. A 3 engine JH36 is still substantially cheaper than compared to a B-21 2 engine bomber.
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1) It's the J-36 not JH36, the J-16 fits the roll already.

2)The J-20 costs around 80-70mil now, the more you produce something the cheaper it gets.

Other than that you're quite correct.
 
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Overbom

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It begins. Cost increase of 20-30%
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Second Batch Of Air Force CCA Drones Could Be 20 To 30 Percent Pricier Than The First​

Concerns still loom over how the Air Force will pay for its CCA drones, as well as other advanced next-generation aircraft.
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“I think, personally, something that has some increase in cost over Increment 1 would not be outrageous,” Kendall told Air & Space Forces Magazine. “20 or 30 percent, something like that.”
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Only in gov jobs is a 20-30 percent increase in cost not considered outrageous..

Kendall has said in the past that the goal is for the price point for Increment 1 CCAs to be between one-quarter and one-third of that of an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. This would put the price tag of a single one of those drones at between $20.5 and $27.5 million, based on
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. A 20-30% increase in those figures would put the price range for Increment 2 CCAs at between approximately $24.6/$26.65 and $33/35.75 million
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“But, again, it depends upon the mix, right? What capabilities do you put on every aircraft, every CCA? What do you distribute?” Kendall added.
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“I don’t regard CCAs as expendable. They’re not munitions. … we don’t send them all to die,” the Air Force’s top civilian had also said at that time. “So there needs to be enough survivability in them – the combination of how you equip them, design them, plus tactics so that you can have reasonable attrition in most areas – but they are things that you are willing to let a few of die in order to gain an advantage.”
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“Is it more capable? Is it more affordable? Where on the … spectrum will Increment 2 land? Those are questions to be explored,” Hunter added. “Is it more exquisite and where does it fall on the spectrum? … [there is] still a lot to be determined in that process.”
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Air Force officials have more broadly pushed back on the idea of pursuing a stealthy UCAV in favor of lower-tier and cheaper CCA concepts that could be acquired more affordably in greater numbers.
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I don't think they even know what they want
 
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