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RobertC

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I missed this when it came out last Friday
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China’s navy is, by far, the largest of any country in East Asia, and sometime between 2015 and 2020 it surpassed the U.S. Navy in numbers of battle force ships, meaning the types of ships that count toward the quoted size of the U.S. Navy. DOD states that China’s navy “is the largest navy in the world with a battle force of over 370 platforms, including major surface combatants, submarines, ocean-going amphibious ships, mine warfare ships, aircraft carriers, and fleet auxiliaries. Notably, this figure does not include approximately 60 HOUBEI-class patrol combatants that carry [eight YJ-83 180km range] anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCM).
China's Type 022 is one of my favorite warships. It provides many capabilities for China besides responding to the USN's Taiwan Strait insult two decades ago. The crew size of 12 supports command structure at-sea ship-level training that carries forward to larger warships. The large number of warships and their LOS datalinks support both school-directed and free-play exercises for squadron-level and higher levels of training. The twin diesels keep it cheap and the high-speed waterjets keep it fun. When deployed against the USN, I expect their operations will be combined with the maritime militia to provide both cover and logistics for their short legs allowing China's larger warships to stand back from USN missile ranges.
The U.S. Navy, by comparison, included 296 battle force ships as of August 12, 2024, and the Navy’s FY2025 budget submission projects that the Navy will include 294 battle force ships by the end of FY2030. U.S. military officials and other observers are expressing concern or alarm regarding the pace of China’s naval shipbuilding effort, the capacity of China’s shipbuilding industry compared with the capacity of the U.S. shipbuilding industry, and trend lines regarding the relative sizes and capabilities of China’s navy and the U.S. Navy.
...The U.S. Navy has taken a number of actions to counter China’s naval modernization effort. Among other things, the U.S. Navy has shifted a greater percentage of its fleet to the Pacific; assigned its most-capable new ships and aircraft to the Pacific; maintained or increased general presence operations, training and developmental exercises, and engagement and cooperation with allied and other navies in the Indo-Pacific; increased the planned future size of the Navy; initiated, increased, or accelerated numerous programs for developing new military technologies and acquiring new ships, aircraft, unmanned vehicles, and weapons; and developed new operational concepts for countering PRC maritime [militia] A2/AD forces. The issue for Congress is whether to approve, reject, or modify the Biden Administration’s proposed U.S. Navy plans, budgets, and programs for responding to China’s naval modernization effort.
As I and others much smarter and more knowledgeable than me have warned, we don't have the money, we don't have the shipyards and suppliers, we don't have the workers and we don't have the national concord to plan, budget and execute any modernization effort, the latest example being the
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Strange when combat range look to be more important than ever ? Jumping ship will not bring these concepts into life faster...
I think this is a misinterpretation. If you watch the General’s speech he uses past tense when the image pops up. He was talking about adaptation and flexibility. So I suspect this was his “retrospective” F35 alternative. Basically a low observable fighter for low tier operations. Similar to what the ROK has been looking at for the KF21.
 

phrozenflame

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What? This is totally insanely silly.

Edit: Swinging from ultra premium NGAD to discounted F-35. Did someone in Federal reserve say 'Sir, we cant print money'.
Since i cant edit any longer, this can be an indirect shot at LM bamboozling the DoD over F-35 for years and billions in never ending software issues. Maybe the customer is getting super tired of how LM screwed them over and want an updated approach to solve F-35 problems.
 

taxiya

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In other words:

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And that's the best I can hope for here. I'm so tired of it.

Some time ago I understood I need a break from this place. I have been trying to make it permanent but this website is unfortunately still the most convenient tool for sorting information that is of interest to me. Just like reddit. Unfortunately this increasingly comes with an unbearable cost in information pollution. Just like reddit.

I tried at it at 300, more humorously, but I ruined by my own carelessness. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. Woe f...ing me.

I keep wondering whether it has always been this bad and I missed it because I only paid attention to what interested me or whether it got progressively worse. Just like reddit.

You know what? I think I don't care anymore. 375 is a good number. I think it is the weight of trigglypuff in pounds. In any case, I don't care to find out if I got it wrong. Or if I got it right. None of it matters.

You keep doing what you think you are doing. I have someplace else to be.
Besides being border case racist (the slur), you are aslo a sneaky person who sent personal insult in private message instead of making open response in the forum.

So do everybody a favor, keep your promise and never come back.
 

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The era of low interest rates is really over. Silicon Valley bros and VCs are going after DoD money.

Cruise missiles with a 500 mile (800km) range and with a target cost of $150K each.
Assuming the US can do this, we can expect the Chinese to come up with something similar, and for less money.

The US is currently buying 90K GMLRS rockets over the next 5 years, which are much shorter ranged and not suitable for the Western Pacific.
Each rocket costs $220K so that's $20 Billion in total

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If China were to only spend half of that money ($10 Billion), that would buy 66K of those ($150K) cruise missiles.

Can you imagine how the strategic balance will change in the Western Pacific? If launched from trucks on mainland China:

1. Okinawa will be under sustained air-sea blockade and becomes non-viable for any sort of operations
2. A somewhat larger version with a 700 mile range can cover all of the Japanese Home Islands. A similar air-sea blockade and continuous attacks on Japanese bases would occur as well.
 
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