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gelgoog

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You have a sauce for that?
Also that sounds a lot like the Russian T14 and SU57 “deployments”.
This article for example is full of the US MIC's bullshit hyperbole with regards to the Dark Eagle.
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Mach 5 monster: Germany to get Dark Eagle missile
The 4,000 mph advanced hypersonic missile could strike the heart of Moscow in just 21 minutes

November 14, 2021

Hypersonic strike weapons, capable of flying speeds in excess of Mach 5, are a key aspect of the long-range precision fire modernization effort for the Army and the national security strategy to compete with and outpace potential threats. LRHW will be able to travel at speeds of over 1.7 km per second (3,800 mph), dodge above the atmosphere and hit targets anywhere in the world within minutes. Credit: Lockheed Martin.

“Every inhabitant of this planet must contemplate the day when this planet may no longer be habitable … The weapons of war must be abolished before they abolish us.”
— John F. Kennedy


It was inevitable.
The madness that US President John F. Kennedy foresaw in the early 1960s of his administration, has come to pass.
Mankind is now making weapons that simply cannot be stopped.
This week, the US Army’s 56th Artillery Command, based in the Western District of Mainz-Kastel, Germany, held a quiet recommissioning ceremony, UK’s The Sun reported.
It was a move completely ignored by the rest of the world, but it sure made a splash at the Kremlin in Moscow. That, you can bet on.
The ceremony in question involved the reactivation of a nuclear unit in Germany since the Cold War.
It is now armed, with “Dark Eagle” — a long-range hypersonic weapon (LRHW) capable of travelling at 4,000 mph.

The message was clear … Dark Eagle could blitz Russia in just 21 minutes and 30 seconds.
The decision to reactivate is amid the growing concerns in the Pentagon that Russia has succeeded NATO and the US in creating long-range artillery rockets.
The Command was first formed in 1942 and fought in Europe during World War II but was deactivated in 1991 with the fall of the Soviet Union.
The commanding general of the artillery unit, General Stephen Maranian said the development will “provide the US Army Europe and Africa with significant capabilities in multi-domain operations.”
It was believed that the US was falling behind in the creation of a hypersonic weapon until last month when it was announced that the US had completed its delivery of the Dark Eagle.
“From a blank piece of paper in March 2019, we, along with our industry partners and joint services, delivered this hardware in just over two years. Now, Soldiers can begin training,” Lt. Gen. L. Neil Thurgood said in a statement.


“It’s going to be a battery of four launchers, two missiles per for basic load of eight,” Bob Strider, Deputy Director of the Army Hypersonic Project Office, told The Drive at the annual Space and Missile Defense Symposium in August.

“It’s going to be a Battery Operations Center — that’s our C2 system that is based against an AFATDS, the [Advanced] Field Artillery Tactical Data System …. with a support vehicle.”
“This will be a road-mobile system, which is critical, the ability to move around the battlefield,” he added.
In its statement on the prototype LRHW delivery, the Army says the weapon, once fielded, will “provide a unique combination of speed, maneuverability, and altitude to defeat time-critical, heavily defended, and high-value targets.”
As far as speed is concerned, the Pentagon has previously said that the Common Hypersonic Glide Body, or C-HGB, will be capable of reaching a maximum speed of Mach 17.
It also said it would be able to strike targets at a distance of at least 1,725 miles.
Last month, China appeared to have taken a shock lead in the hypersonic arms race after it was revealed that Beijing flew a nuclear-capable missile around the world.
US intelligence and military officials were reportedly left stunned after China launched a rocket in space carrying a hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) that circled the globe before speeding towards its target.
The next generation of weapons can hit speeds of up to 21,000 mph — and potentially even faster — and are seen as a devastating new frontier for warfare.
Hypersonic missiles are a game-changer because unlike ballistic missiles, which fly into space before returning on steep trajectories, they zoom in on targets at lower altitudes.
This combined with typical speeds of five times the speed of sound – or around 4,000mph – makes them extremely hard, if not impossible, to shoot down.
China — followed closely by Russia — are regarded as having the most potent hypersonic missile arsenals pouring billions into them, but others are catching up.

Still, the shocking revelations of their missile test back in August has sent shockwaves through Western intelligence who fear they actually underestimated Beijing.
US intelligence and military officials were reportedly left stunned after China launched a rocket in space carrying a hypersonic glide vehicle that circled the globe before speeding towards its target.
Circling the globe, it shows the weapon potentially has a range of some 25,000 miles and can operate in space.
It means the missile can theoretically hit anywhere on Earth — a terrifying thought for military planners at the Pentagon.
Previously referred to as Project 4202, Russia’s Avangard is a boost-glide, Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) missile system that was first unveiled during Russian President Vladimir Putin’s 2018 annual state-of-the-nation address.
“The Avangard is invulnerable to intercept by any existing and prospective missile defense means of the potential adversary,” the Russian leader boasted in Krushchev fashion.
As an HGV, Avangard combines a high-performance ballistic missile with an unmanned glider vehicle. Once the missile reaches a sufficient altitude, the glide vehicle separates to find its target at staggeringly high speeds, drastically reducing the window of opportunity for successful interception.
The weapon can reportedly travel at up to Mach 27 and is capable of maneuvering mid-flight, potentially allowing it to overcome even the most sophisticated enemy missile defenses through sheer speed and flight path alteration.
The Army worked with industry to build the industrial base for the hypersonic weapon glide body because the domestic private sector had never built one.
The service also separately produced launchers, trucks, trailers and the battle operation center necessary to put together the weapon battery.
“We took existing trailers and modified them with hydraulics and electronics and everything associated with being a launcher,” said Robert Strider, the deputy director of the Army Hypersonic Project Office.
“We are number three in this race. We have to catch up.”
Transportable on board an Air Force C-17 Globemaster III, the LRHW is intended to be road-mobile such that it can hold targets at risk from multiple changing locations to maximize surprise and speed of attack.
“We will shoot exactly the same thing the Navy shoots out of a sub or ship,” said Strider.
Lockheed Martin is the weapon system integrator for the Army’s hypersonic capability that will be launched from a mobile truck. Dynetics was chosen to build the glide body for the missile.

Sources: The Sun, The Drive, Defence View, National Interest, The Indian Express

Dark Eagle "delivery" came with a bang then it went with a whimper.

The TWZ article was scarcely better.
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Try finding in it the fact the Dark Eagle missile wasn't operational yet.

You cannot possibly compare T-14 or the Su-57, actual existing platforms trialed in combat, with a stupid missile that hadn't even flown properly yet. That they were parading empty launchers pretending it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
 
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gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Being sent for testing is a very different thing from claiming to be active operationally. I'd rather take the USN's official word for it than you. Sorry!!!
They were still flight testing inert missiles in April 2024 at China Lake and now they are supposed to be operational and in service. Yeah right. Sorry but it strains belief.

They show a missile to the public at RIMPAC a couple days ago with the words "INERT" written in it. What will you believe? Your lying eyes or some vapid news report not properly corroborated.

There is no point in modifying the SM-6 to be mounted on an F-18 pylone if it would not allow datalink integration with the aircraft. I would believe in this possibility more than data integration with a ship's Aegis system.
Of course they can mix and match parts of the AMRAAM with the SM-6 to get it to work. But the idea it will be that quick or smooth is an exaggeration.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
The American military definitely never rejected the effectiveness of an ASBM, it just had great considerations about the PLA's kill chain in an ASuW and that it could essentially be degraded or eliminated, rendering Chinese ASBM missiles blind and mute.
No the US military rarely said anything, it was the American "military experts" who made most of the noise. If you read my post carefully I said "the US". If you were active in this forum long enough you would remember those early posts quoting various "experts". The first wave of rejection/denial was about ASBM itself, how can it lock and home on the target and how can it stir itself at such high terminal speed and within suchh short distance. It was only after failure of these arguements did the "experts" retreated to second defence line, the whole kill chain subject . It was just back paddling to save faces.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
This article for example is full of the US MIC's bullshit hyperbole with regards to the Dark Eagle.
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Mach 5 monster: Germany to get Dark Eagle missile
The 4,000 mph advanced hypersonic missile could strike the heart of Moscow in just 21 minutes

November 14, 2021

Hypersonic strike weapons, capable of flying speeds in excess of Mach 5, are a key aspect of the long-range precision fire modernization effort for the Army and the national security strategy to compete with and outpace potential threats. LRHW will be able to travel at speeds of over 1.7 km per second (3,800 mph), dodge above the atmosphere and hit targets anywhere in the world within minutes. Credit: Lockheed Martin.

“Every inhabitant of this planet must contemplate the day when this planet may no longer be habitable … The weapons of war must be abolished before they abolish us.”
— John F. Kennedy


It was inevitable.
The madness that US President John F. Kennedy foresaw in the early 1960s of his administration, has come to pass.
Mankind is now making weapons that simply cannot be stopped.
This week, the US Army’s 56th Artillery Command, based in the Western District of Mainz-Kastel, Germany, held a quiet recommissioning ceremony, UK’s The Sun reported.
It was a move completely ignored by the rest of the world, but it sure made a splash at the Kremlin in Moscow. That, you can bet on.
The ceremony in question involved the reactivation of a nuclear unit in Germany since the Cold War.
It is now armed, with “Dark Eagle” — a long-range hypersonic weapon (LRHW) capable of travelling at 4,000 mph.

The message was clear … Dark Eagle could blitz Russia in just 21 minutes and 30 seconds.
The decision to reactivate is amid the growing concerns in the Pentagon that Russia has succeeded NATO and the US in creating long-range artillery rockets.
The Command was first formed in 1942 and fought in Europe during World War II but was deactivated in 1991 with the fall of the Soviet Union.
The commanding general of the artillery unit, General Stephen Maranian said the development will “provide the US Army Europe and Africa with significant capabilities in multi-domain operations.”
It was believed that the US was falling behind in the creation of a hypersonic weapon until last month when it was announced that the US had completed its delivery of the Dark Eagle.
“From a blank piece of paper in March 2019, we, along with our industry partners and joint services, delivered this hardware in just over two years. Now, Soldiers can begin training,” Lt. Gen. L. Neil Thurgood said in a statement.


“It’s going to be a battery of four launchers, two missiles per for basic load of eight,” Bob Strider, Deputy Director of the Army Hypersonic Project Office, told The Drive at the annual Space and Missile Defense Symposium in August.

“It’s going to be a Battery Operations Center — that’s our C2 system that is based against an AFATDS, the [Advanced] Field Artillery Tactical Data System …. with a support vehicle.”
“This will be a road-mobile system, which is critical, the ability to move around the battlefield,” he added.
In its statement on the prototype LRHW delivery, the Army says the weapon, once fielded, will “provide a unique combination of speed, maneuverability, and altitude to defeat time-critical, heavily defended, and high-value targets.”
As far as speed is concerned, the Pentagon has previously said that the Common Hypersonic Glide Body, or C-HGB, will be capable of reaching a maximum speed of Mach 17.
It also said it would be able to strike targets at a distance of at least 1,725 miles.
Last month, China appeared to have taken a shock lead in the hypersonic arms race after it was revealed that Beijing flew a nuclear-capable missile around the world.
US intelligence and military officials were reportedly left stunned after China launched a rocket in space carrying a hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV) that circled the globe before speeding towards its target.
The next generation of weapons can hit speeds of up to 21,000 mph — and potentially even faster — and are seen as a devastating new frontier for warfare.
Hypersonic missiles are a game-changer because unlike ballistic missiles, which fly into space before returning on steep trajectories, they zoom in on targets at lower altitudes.
This combined with typical speeds of five times the speed of sound – or around 4,000mph – makes them extremely hard, if not impossible, to shoot down.
China — followed closely by Russia — are regarded as having the most potent hypersonic missile arsenals pouring billions into them, but others are catching up.

Still, the shocking revelations of their missile test back in August has sent shockwaves through Western intelligence who fear they actually underestimated Beijing.
US intelligence and military officials were reportedly left stunned after China launched a rocket in space carrying a hypersonic glide vehicle that circled the globe before speeding towards its target.
Circling the globe, it shows the weapon potentially has a range of some 25,000 miles and can operate in space.
It means the missile can theoretically hit anywhere on Earth — a terrifying thought for military planners at the Pentagon.
Previously referred to as Project 4202, Russia’s Avangard is a boost-glide, Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) missile system that was first unveiled during Russian President Vladimir Putin’s 2018 annual state-of-the-nation address.
“The Avangard is invulnerable to intercept by any existing and prospective missile defense means of the potential adversary,” the Russian leader boasted in Krushchev fashion.
As an HGV, Avangard combines a high-performance ballistic missile with an unmanned glider vehicle. Once the missile reaches a sufficient altitude, the glide vehicle separates to find its target at staggeringly high speeds, drastically reducing the window of opportunity for successful interception.
The weapon can reportedly travel at up to Mach 27 and is capable of maneuvering mid-flight, potentially allowing it to overcome even the most sophisticated enemy missile defenses through sheer speed and flight path alteration.
The Army worked with industry to build the industrial base for the hypersonic weapon glide body because the domestic private sector had never built one.
The service also separately produced launchers, trucks, trailers and the battle operation center necessary to put together the weapon battery.
“We took existing trailers and modified them with hydraulics and electronics and everything associated with being a launcher,” said Robert Strider, the deputy director of the Army Hypersonic Project Office.
“We are number three in this race. We have to catch up.”
Transportable on board an Air Force C-17 Globemaster III, the LRHW is intended to be road-mobile such that it can hold targets at risk from multiple changing locations to maximize surprise and speed of attack.
“We will shoot exactly the same thing the Navy shoots out of a sub or ship,” said Strider.
Lockheed Martin is the weapon system integrator for the Army’s hypersonic capability that will be launched from a mobile truck. Dynetics was chosen to build the glide body for the missile.

Sources: The Sun, The Drive, Defence View, National Interest, The Indian Express

Dark Eagle "delivery" came with a bang then it went with a whimper.

The TWZ article was scarcely better.
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Try finding in it the fact the Dark Eagle missile wasn't operational yet.

You cannot possibly compare T-14 or the Su-57, actual existing platforms trialed in combat, with a stupid missile that hadn't even flown properly yet. That they were parading empty launchers pretending it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
So you’re using a third hand Source that’s written not by an American or European journalist but the Asian Times out of Hong Kong? A paper that is somewhat of a tabloid.

Finally “possibly compare”? You mean to the no show SU57 that’s only deployments were photo ops on a Syrian runway. The only combat we can absolutely confirm for the SU57 being the destruction of one in Russia by a Ukrainian drone on a runway.

The T14 where there are maybe enough tanks to equip a company? That’s 10 tanks… maybe. A Tank the Russian Mod has admitted they haven’t built in numbers.
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favoring their T90/T72 series as they can’t afford it. So it doesn’t have a support system ergo it can’t be deployed into combat because they don’t have the supply chain to repair and operate it in a war of attrition.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
TWZ covered the event with the European 'deployment' of Dark Eagle scarcely better than Asia Times. I posted the link.

If you are going to rely on official press statements, then the Russian MoD also announced on TASS that they used the Su-57 operationally and T-14 in trial form in Ukraine. Even Western sources like RUSI agree this was done. What did you expect? That an aircraft with long range and precision missiles or a tank with supposedly much better sensors would be getting into knife fights?

I still remember people dissing the performance and availability of the R-37M. Even here. We know how that turned out. But anyway I digress.
 
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tygyg1111

Captain
Registered Member
It is really funny. Comparing an existing system (Chinese) with something that is basically a dummy round (US).
Pure vaporware.

It is good for the US that they are developing an alternative to the AIM-260 program. But the hype in that video is just bonkers.
This comment sums up everything you need to know about the video and announcement:
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phrozenflame

Junior Member
Registered Member
I think it's super cost and time effective approach especially for ammunition trucks like the new F-15s. The aircraft essentially acts like a more efficient booster compared to the surface launched SM-6. So the range will be impressive!

It's a smart move until internal bay compatible missiles become ready. Nonetheless it would still will be longer ranged than the internal-bay missiles that are in the pipeline and hence extend the combat capabilities of 100s of 4-4.5gen fighters in US AF and N.

Other benefits are obviously it adds to the economies of scale of using a system that is already deployed and it uses bigger version of amraam seeker so decent overlaps there.

Kill chain will certainly need more sensors than just the launch aircraft's radars because sm-6 simply outranges them. 4.5 gen fighter lob them from safe distances and the stealthier aircraft's and drones closer to the front lines guide them in terminal phase before the onboard seeker locks on.

Wether it's already operational, in late or mid testing stages, whatever, I'll assume it's not something very far away until it's announced that the program is officially cancelled. Reason for my own assumption is it's already a mature platform and been under a2a testing for 2-3 years.
 
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SlothmanAllen

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Wether it's already operational, in late or mid testing stages, whatever, I'll assume it's not something very far away until it's announced that the program is officially cancelled. Reason for my own assumption is it's already a mature platform and been under a2a testing for 2-3 years.

Yeah, I am not really buying a "vaporware" narrative here. Its an air launched SM-6. A missile that has had an extensive amount of testing and real world deployments in combat situations. The US Navy isn't trying to re-invent the wheel here, their just adopting a proven missile to be air launched.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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I did not say it was a bad idea to make this missile. In fact I think it is a good idea. It is just that things do not happen as quickly as that.

Ever heard of the Novator KS-172? The Russians basically wanted to turn the Buk SAM into an air-launched weapon. It sounded like a simple job. But then they ended up redesigning the whole missile structure, and it later got cancelled. The ground and air launched missiles are just optimized for different regimes. It is as simple as that.
 
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