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Suetham

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Maybe it should be wise to finish the new missile design and certificate if for use BEFORE they start to design ships for it.

You know, like as the Russians did.
They already have the specs needed to build a VLS capable of boxing hypersonic missiles. If I'm not mistaken, about 20 LRHW/CPS will be delivered this year to the US Army (operational in 2023) and the US Navy (testing phase).
 
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Anlsvrthng

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They already have the specs needed to build a VLS capable of boxing hypersonic missiles. If I'm not mistaken, about 20 LRHW/CPS will be delivered this year to the US Army (operational in 2023) and the US Navy (testing phase).
So, the LRHW is simply a medium range ballisitc missile, and the reason why the USA left the INF treatry.


The name of it is only for propaganda purposes, it is nothing else just a Pershing III .


It is too big and bulky for ships. Maybe SSBNs could carry it.
 

Suetham

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So, the LRHW is simply a medium range ballisitc missile, and the reason why the USA left the INF treatry.


The name of it is only for propaganda purposes, it is nothing else just a Pershing III .


It is too big and bulky for ships. Maybe SSBNs could carry it.
No. LRHW/CPS is an HGV. Its glide path is >50% of the total path to impact with the target. The 3 Zumwalt class ships will have the ability to carry out hypersonic missile launches until 2025. As for the SSNs, the established term of the operational capacity is until 2028.
 

Anlsvrthng

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No. LRHW/CPS is an HGV. Its glide path is >50% of the total path to impact with the target. The 3 Zumwalt class ships will have the ability to carry out hypersonic missile launches until 2025. As for the SSNs, the established term of the operational capacity is until 2028.
Yes, the LRHW is a Pershing with a diferent RV.

Dimensions more similar for the Pershing than for the Zircon.

It is not air breathing, due to that it is big and heavy.

Yumwalt probably could carry it on the place of the main guns, there is plenty of space for it , but it is too big for Virginia or Burke.
 

gelgoog

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Some stealth coatings use ferromagnetic paint. So the top coat could have iron powder mixed in which then rusts.
Kind of lame though.
 

Tam

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The graph appears to show a ship with a block of 64 vertical cells ahead and another equal block of 64 vertical cells amidships.

There must have been a misinterpretation in what was reported by NAVSEA, which suggests in the future an exchange of 32 cells for 12 larger cells capable of accommodating a hypersonic missile and everyone is deducing that the ship has 32 cells ahead.

I highly doubt that the DD(X) will have 64 total vertical cells or 96 total cells, the US Navy's planning is to have a ship between the Zumwalt and Ticonderogas tonnage, the ship will have to contain between 10,000 to 13,000 tons, a ship of this size with this amount of vertical cells is very limited. Imagine if the 32 cells were exchanged for 12 larger cells, that would mean that the ship would have 44 VLS.

It will act as a successor to the Ticonderoga, so the ship's mission is primarily to act as an air defense ship for the CSG, a ship with 64 or 96 cells is too little for the mission the ship intends to fulfill. I clearly see a ship between 10,000-12,000 tons with 128 VLS, being able to swap 32 cells for 12 larger cells to accommodate hypersonic missiles, which leaves the ship with 108 VLS.

If the ship is using its increased size for say, better liveability for the crew on long journeys, more stores, more cooling equipment for the radar, more electronics and computing back end, and for some other things, yes, a ship would sacrifice VLS for other things. After all, the Zumwalt despite its displacement, only has 70 VLS. If you look at the upcoming German MKS 180 surface combatant, that would displace 10,000 or even 11,000 tons, yet it only has 64 VLS and half of them will use ESSM, not in quads, but in singles.
 

Suetham

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If the ship is using its increased size for say, better liveability for the crew on long journeys, more stores, more cooling equipment for the radar, more electronics and computing back end, and for some other things, yes, a ship would sacrifice VLS for other things. After all, the Zumwalt despite its displacement, only has 70 VLS. If you look at the upcoming German MKS 180 surface combatant, that would displace 10,000 or even 11,000 tons, yet it only has 64 VLS and half of them will use ESSM, not in quads, but in singles.
It has no technology that will not have been tested on previous ships. The radars will be from the DDG-51 FIII family of GaN radars. Electric propulsion tested on the Zumwalt and the frigate Constellation. It is a natural evolution of the future great combatants of the US Navy.

In the NAVSEA file it says that 32 silos can be exchanged for 12 larger silos to fit the hypersonic missiles, it doesn't say there are 32 cells ahead. For now there is a lot of speculation about the total number of silos. The US Navy has already said it wants at least the same 96 silos as the Arleigh Burkes.

One possibility is that the forward silo group may have 64 silos and the midship group
among the chimneys, another 64, totaling 128 silos, the same number as a “Ticonderoga” that, due to 2 built-in cranes for remunication on the high seas, resulted in the loss of 6 silos.
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All that you say doesn't make any sense when analyzing the ship's displacement and the total combat capability of the DD(X). Everything indicates that it will displace more than a “Ticonderoga” and “Arleigh Burke III”, both in the range of 9600 tons loaded, however, less than a “Zumwalt” of about 15,000 loaded, it is speculated something in the range of 12,000 to 13,000 tons loaded. The future DDG, if it actually follows the specifications presented, will have a displacement of about 13,000 tons also due to the greater inclusion of steel in the construction, but, there will not be a significant increase in armament, the number of silos should be between 96 and 128 and a second main cannon will be exchanged for other guns and stuff like that.
 

Abominable

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Some stealth coatings use ferromagnetic paint. So the top coat could have iron powder mixed in which then rusts.
Kind of lame though.
Looks like an oil spill to me.

I wonder how the performance of stealth platforms are when like that. Or if they are dirty or covered in water.
 

FangYuan

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One factor that may be related to this accelerated corrosion is the rivets. Hundreds of F-35s were manufactured with the wrong rivets applied to critical areas, LM claims the problem would not necessarily need to be fixed once it was identified.

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90% is human error. Even the most experienced engineers and workers cannot avoid mistakes.

And the same thing can be repeated for Russia and China. It seems that Robot and Al are not mature enough, to solve these problems.
 
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