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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: F-22

I really cannot understand how this problem could be so hard to fix or how it could have developed in the first place.

The life support systems on fighter jets is hardly some cutting-edge tech that required much innovation in the first place. One wonders why it was necessary to develop a new system for the F22 would the existing ones operating on thousands of USAF and USN fighters are working just fine and have been for decades.

Life support is also a self-contained system that should have been relatively straight forward to isolate and thoroughly test and evaluate. it should have easily been the least risky and most well known element of the F22.

In light of this, one really has to wonder if the recent deployment of F22s to the UEA, and specifically, within easy range of the Iranian boarder was such a good idea.

Even if the F22s had no intension of violating Iranian airspace, one could easily end up crashing deep inside Iran if the pilot passed out or is killed by this life support problem. The political and security costs of having an F22 fall into Iranian hands would be hard to over-estimate, and for what? What role does the US need the F22s to serve that the likes of the B2 or F15/F16 could not already accomplish?

The only thing that comes to mind would be for the F22 to act as escorts for B2s on bombing missions, but then 6 F22s hardly seems enough for such a mission.
 

Engineer

Major
Re: F-22

My straight forward theory is that the life-support system isn't the culprit. It doesn't explain why
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as well. In my opinion, there may be something so fundamentally wrong with the F-22 which can't be fixed, so the life-support system is being blamed to allow the planes to keep flying. You can appear to work hard and show progress if you work on a fictitious problem instead of working on one that couldn't be solved.
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: F-22

My straight forward theory is that the life-support system isn't the culprit. It doesn't explain why
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as well. In my opinion, there may be something so fundamentally wrong with the F-22 which can't be fixed, so the life-support system is being blamed to allow the planes to keep flying. You can appear to work hard and show progress if you work on a fictitious problem instead of working on one that couldn't be solved.

Interesting theory, but what could possibly account for hypoxia like symptoms in pilots and ground crews getting sick?

The only thing that I could think of that might affect pilots in the air and ground crew while the plane is on terra firma would be some sort of radiation or powerful/exotic electromagnetic field. Ruling out anything too outlandish and that only thing remotely possible of being capable of generating anything like that would be the AESA radar, but AESA is hardly a new concept and the F22 is far from the only plane to use it, so that cannot be the culprit either.
 

no_name

Colonel
Re: F-22

Maybe it could be the stealth coating being toxic? If there really is something that can't be fixed it might explain why they are so quick to stop F-22 at 180+ units and go for F-35 instead.
 

delft

Brigadier
Re: F-22

Maybe it could be the stealth coating being toxic? If there really is something that can't be fixed it might explain why they are so quick to stop F-22 at 180+ units and go for F-35 instead.
That is a strong explanation, but it suggests that the Pentagon knew about these problems years before their existence became public knowledge.

Where is Air Force Brat to defend F-22? :)
 

navyreco

Senior Member
Re: F-22

USS Fort Worth sets sail from Wisconsin shipyard on its maiden voyage for commissioning

Built by the Lockheed Martin team, the future
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set sail Aug. 6 from the Marinette Marine shipyard in Wisconsin on its maiden voyage to Galveston, Texas, for its commissioning Sept. 22. Fort Worth will transit through the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway before sailing down the East Coast and across the Gulf of Mexico on its way to Galveston.

The Lockheed Martin team, which includes Marinette Marine, naval architect Gibbs & Cox and numerous suppliers, delivered the Fort Worth to the Navy on budget June 6 – two months early.

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Using lessons learned from building the nation’s first LCS, USS Freedom, the Lockheed Martin team made Forth Worth quicker, better and more affordably. As with other new ship classes, Fort Worth incorporates enhancements that account for the valuable feedback from first in class ship, USS Freedom (LCS 1). These changes include an extended surface area that provides an upgraded capability for the ship to carry more fuel and enhances the range, speed and payload and internalized buoyancy tanks which bring even greater stability.
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Seems like things are improving for this class
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: F-22

The Ft Worth is in Detroit...

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That wharf is in poor condition..that's being kind.
DETROIT, Mich. (Aug. 8, 2012) The future littoral combat ship USS Fort Worth (LCS 3) into the Nicholson Terminal. Fort Worth sailed away from the Marinette Marine Corp. shipyard in Marinette, Wis., Aug. 7, beginning its maiden voyage to its commissioning site in Galveston, Texas, before heading to its eventual homeport of San Diego, Calif. Fort Worth is the third Littoral Combat Ship delivered to the Navy, and the second LCS of the steel, semi-planing monohull Freedom variant, and will be commissioned Sept. 22. (U.S. Navy photos by Mr. Christopher Johnson/Released)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: F-22

What is she doing in Detroit (just curious)?
The UN is finally deploying peace Keepers. JK
She was built in Marinette, Wis an inland building yard meaning she has too sail out of the great lakes before she hit the open ocean
 
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