US Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
The intention of the Mercy and Comfert was not to take on Convid19 patients. The Aim was to elevate other medical treatment save for Pediatric and Oncology.From the article posted above;
Pitiful and embarrassing.Someone in a position of authority need to man up and set some changes immediately so those persons ill can be treated aboard these ships.
basically a floating Emergency room.
SouthernSky
Junior Member
Is there a larger emergency than COVID-19 at present?
I get that it's facilities are less than perfect to deal with this crisis but what the hell is?
My understanding is that traditional emergency room requirements are down somewhat as everyone is home self isolating. There are less auto accidents, broken arms from coming off the swing etc...
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Remember that Mercy class is a military hospital ship.
That means it’s primarily focused on kinetic events not infectious disease. They have advanced surgical facilities and critical care. But the ship isn’t designed for epidemics. The mission was to allow Hospitals to off load more conventional patients not infected with Convid 19 and off load supplies to aid hospitals. They are also not equipped for pediatrics or cancer treatment. Less than perfect doesn’t describe the situation.
The Hospital ship is basically a flooding surgery ward. In combat operations battle casualties would be stabilized for transport flown to the ship and receive major surgical treatment. Then allowed to recover before being shipped to a real on the ground hospital behind the lines.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Secondary point is people have accidents or need surgery all the time. Heart attacks, Strokes, slipping in the shower, Fires... the Aim of Mercy and Comfort in the respective cities is to take those.
The fact is you can’t take uninfected patience into a ward with infected patients. As doing so will spread the contagion. The infected have to be isolated.
The SECNAV and Captains of these ships made the mission very clear in reporting before those ships tied to the peri.
They were to serve as a release valve for Non Convid cases.
Early on the idea was to have the Prospective patients screened at a regular hospital then if negative be sent to the Ships. However they have reportedly changed the requirements and now test on the pier isolate until the test comes back and if positive they send them as soon as possible to the Jacobs Center Hospital main DOD patient care for Convid 19 cases is not the Comfort or Mercy but US Army field hospitals.
The press can say what they want and will.
If the DOD and Federal government deem it necessary they would likely open to convid 19 victims. But not having the abilities of a regular hospital in terms of isolation wards is a major issue.
Mercy class are big shipsit’s got 12 operating rooms a thousand beds it’s own labs, Radiology, CT scanner, Pharmacy, ICU, Optometry, Dental facilities, Morgue Helicopter pad, as well as 2 Oxygen generators.
but you know what if you ever see the recovery wards it’s an open bay with bunks. Perfectly fine for recovery from a major fire, or kinetic disaster.
Perfect for an uninfected patient to become infected. Add in that the Medical crews both work and live in the space. It’s not a case of less than ideal it’s potential disaster. The same would hold true for any Hospital ship. But these ships were originally Oil tankers and they kept the walls of the hold. This means that Patients have to be moved from section to section above decks potentially spreading from existing patients to new ones and from crew to crew. This was one of the reasons pointed to for wanting to retire them.
The fact is you can’t take uninfected patience into a ward with infected patients. As doing so will spread the contagion. The infected have to be isolated.
The SECNAV and Captains of these ships made the mission very clear in reporting before those ships tied to the peri.
They were to serve as a release valve for Non Convid cases.
Early on the idea was to have the Prospective patients screened at a regular hospital then if negative be sent to the Ships. However they have reportedly changed the requirements and now test on the pier isolate until the test comes back and if positive they send them as soon as possible to the Jacobs Center Hospital main DOD patient care for Convid 19 cases is not the Comfort or Mercy but US Army field hospitals.
The press can say what they want and will.
If the DOD and Federal government deem it necessary they would likely open to convid 19 victims. But not having the abilities of a regular hospital in terms of isolation wards is a major issue.
Mercy class are big shipsit’s got 12 operating rooms a thousand beds it’s own labs, Radiology, CT scanner, Pharmacy, ICU, Optometry, Dental facilities, Morgue Helicopter pad, as well as 2 Oxygen generators.
but you know what if you ever see the recovery wards it’s an open bay with bunks. Perfectly fine for recovery from a major fire, or kinetic disaster.
Perfect for an uninfected patient to become infected. Add in that the Medical crews both work and live in the space. It’s not a case of less than ideal it’s potential disaster. The same would hold true for any Hospital ship. But these ships were originally Oil tankers and they kept the walls of the hold. This means that Patients have to be moved from section to section above decks potentially spreading from existing patients to new ones and from crew to crew. This was one of the reasons pointed to for wanting to retire them.
TerraN_EmpirE thanks for your insightful & informative post.
It is simple, Pentagon require guarantee about that the patients aren't infected, but the city haven't got the resources to make the testes.
So, even if a person break his leg to get admission the the hospital ship the city has to prove that the person is not infected.
There is a huge difference between the capability / organisation of USA response compared to say continental Europe.
The later has the long, thousand years experience with wars and so on, so here we have working legal and organisation structure to integrate the hospitals, police, military , private companies and so on to a seamless organised response for massive, population wide crisis that push everything to the very edge of capability .
The USA emergency response operating on the premise of a localised, small scale crisis - expecting that nothing there is no war in North America.
There is no organisational structure to use up all available resources to fight a crisis that is nation wide . Never needed that, because there was never war in NA with peer adversary.
The market can't solve this.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Guess you didn’t bother to read past the first paragraph.
you can’t Isolate a patient on the Mercy class hospitals ships Beyond very short term. The recovery wards are communal. A recovery bay as opposed to a Hospital room.
it was on the city yes now the DOD has changed the requirements. They test at the pier. It’s connected to the a ambulance network.
Next how is that working out for Italy or Spain? You want to make it sound great but fact is the whole world is having a hard time with this. And in a true Peer vs Peer the first thing that happens is decapitation of the Upper central tier of government. Meaning that it’s the lower decentralized authority that has the best case of trying to hold out.
one of the Nations doing very good on this is Switzerland who has an extremely decentralized government and Market friendly economic system even more free market than the US . Playing Contrary to your argument.
you can’t Isolate a patient on the Mercy class hospitals ships Beyond very short term. The recovery wards are communal. A recovery bay as opposed to a Hospital room.
it was on the city yes now the DOD has changed the requirements. They test at the pier. It’s connected to the a ambulance network.
Next how is that working out for Italy or Spain? You want to make it sound great but fact is the whole world is having a hard time with this. And in a true Peer vs Peer the first thing that happens is decapitation of the Upper central tier of government. Meaning that it’s the lower decentralized authority that has the best case of trying to hold out.
one of the Nations doing very good on this is Switzerland who has an extremely decentralized government and Market friendly economic system even more free market than the US . Playing Contrary to your argument.
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Shall see the differences in few weeks time.
The observation is based on the silo like separation between the city and the military. we shall see in few weeks how the army / civil defence/police/government handling the situation in the USA.
It is at the very early stage everywhere .