US Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
- Thread starter tphuang
- Start date
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Part I think you missed because of that but is critical here is.
That means shifts drones to fighters Mraps to tanks and IFV. From LCS to Frigates from Virginia class Boats meant to lurk in the Latorals to the SSN X from COIN to Bombers
Jura The idiot
General
Yesterday at 8:56 PM
Navy to Begin Large Surface Combatant Buys in 2025; Delayed From Original 2023 Start
related (no, didn't confuse links):
Navy to Begin Large Surface Combatant Buys in 2025; Delayed From Original 2023 Start
Jura The idiot
General
Jura The idiot
General
now
Dunford: New F-15 Buy for Air Force Fills F-35 Capacity and Capability Shortfall
3/14/2019
NGAD funding. I previously described the funding curves for the NGAD program, often called the next gen fighter program or 6th gen fighter. It appeared NGAD was headed on a funding curve that mimicked the B-21. If that was the case, the NGAD aircraft would come out with an IOC between 2028 and 2030. However! The USAF budget request for the projected costs for FY20 were $1.35B. Instead, the ask for the FY20 is only $1B:
(page 27, section 3).
That would indicate the NGAD is being pushed back by a year at least. Given the funding profiles in other new-ish programs. Jane's reports NGAD is being rethought (article partially behind paywall):
There are two bits to consider. The first is the next gen jet engine (and probably what will be used on the NGAD aircraft) is being funded separately to the tune of $870M:
If that's considered part of the next gen fighter (a bit dubious, tbh) then the NGAD is humming along nicely. IIRC, the F-22 and F-35 funded their own engines. This is assuming the NGAD is actually going to use the AETP engine, of course.
Sadly, the shutdown seems to have wrecked havoc on the budget process, including merely getting the budget dox up where they are normally with the DTIC hasn't happened. So, it's hard to know what the USAF is thinking will be happening next with the NGAD: they put the next five years projected budget for each project in the budget ask. it's not set in stone, but is advisory for Congress. It also tells us layfolk what the USAF is thinking, generally, and helps with our projections as to when to expect.
Personally, I think we are seeing at least a one year delay.
However, there is a caveat: the B-21 program informed Congress one year they didn't need a few hundred million that year for the program. The projected IOC date of B-21 hasn't slid right though. The NGAD and B-21 programs are being managed by the Rapid Capabilities Office. It's possible the NGAD crew within the RCO has come to the conclusion some tech was trimmed from the program or didn't need as much development. Which case, this isn't a delay, but rather some risk was reduced by trimming some questionable tech.
Even so, I STILL I think we are seeing at least a one year delay.
YMMV.
(page 27, section 3).
That would indicate the NGAD is being pushed back by a year at least. Given the funding profiles in other new-ish programs. Jane's reports NGAD is being rethought (article partially behind paywall):
There are two bits to consider. The first is the next gen jet engine (and probably what will be used on the NGAD aircraft) is being funded separately to the tune of $870M:
If that's considered part of the next gen fighter (a bit dubious, tbh) then the NGAD is humming along nicely. IIRC, the F-22 and F-35 funded their own engines. This is assuming the NGAD is actually going to use the AETP engine, of course.
Sadly, the shutdown seems to have wrecked havoc on the budget process, including merely getting the budget dox up where they are normally with the DTIC hasn't happened. So, it's hard to know what the USAF is thinking will be happening next with the NGAD: they put the next five years projected budget for each project in the budget ask. it's not set in stone, but is advisory for Congress. It also tells us layfolk what the USAF is thinking, generally, and helps with our projections as to when to expect.
Personally, I think we are seeing at least a one year delay.
However, there is a caveat: the B-21 program informed Congress one year they didn't need a few hundred million that year for the program. The projected IOC date of B-21 hasn't slid right though. The NGAD and B-21 programs are being managed by the Rapid Capabilities Office. It's possible the NGAD crew within the RCO has come to the conclusion some tech was trimmed from the program or didn't need as much development. Which case, this isn't a delay, but rather some risk was reduced by trimming some questionable tech.
Even so, I STILL I think we are seeing at least a one year delay.
YMMV.
Brumby
Major
Basically the rationale for the F-15X purchase is summed up in two words; capacity and cost.
The rest of the fight is politics between Boeing and LM and their respective supporters in Congress.
Btw, this should be moved to the F-15 thread.
Jura The idiot
General
Jura The idiot
General
I think it's basically happening due to egregious delays, cost overruns in the F-35 program, its sustainment
kinda yes: Feb 10, 2019
no, to the F-35 thread LOL
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
I think you've got F35 Derangement syndrome.
This isn't F35 this is F15. Had the issue been F35 we would be talking about F16X not F15X. Two years ago they were talking about retiring F15C and D for F16s now that are they aiming for? Retiring F15C and D for F15CX and DX.