US Financial Crisis/Bailout, China's Role

FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
I agree with your interpretation of Keynesian defense spending, but I also disagree in a couple of areas.

The first issue is the idea that cheap credit imported from China (as we are importing cheap goods from them, we are also importing cheap credit) necessarily drives consumerism is not correct. Cheap credit has in large part subsidized higher education in the states by making government and private sponsored student loans affordable for college students and has also made it cheaper for private enterprises themselves to fund R&D. The lack of any viable commercial products created that could be exported to other countries is in essence a failure of this development process, and should not be blamed on the Chinese, whom after all, have been mostly producing goods that the US has stopped producing such as textiles and plastic toys.

The second issue is the idea that consumerism is not a part of capitalism, because the fundamental element in a capitalist market is the freedom to transact between a buyer and a seller at an agreed-upon price. Without the market in the States, there would not be this level of production in China, and without the seed capital and the seed technology inflow from the West, Chinese firms would not have the means to accumulate capacity. After all, can it be any more clearer that this process is how China has benefited by opening up to the West?

Lastly, even though the US has been consuming much more of its income, it does not mean that there has been no productive endeavors in the US. After all, if it is true that only manufacturing labor count as productivity, why then do we spend any money at all paying salesmen at malls, accountants who do the taxes or investment bankers to guide us through corporate transactions? There are definite economic values to all of these activities, and activities in the service sector isn't any inferior to manufacturing as manufacturing was to agriculture back in the late 1800s.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
I agree with your interpretation of Keynesian defense spending, but I also disagree in a couple of areas.

The first issue is the idea that cheap credit imported from China (as we are importing cheap goods from them, we are also importing cheap credit) necessarily drives consumerism is not correct. Cheap credit has in large part subsidized higher education in the states by making government and private sponsored student loans affordable for college students and has also made it cheaper for private enterprises themselves to fund R&D. The lack of any viable commercial products created that could be exported to other countries is in essence a failure of this development process, and should not be blamed on the Chinese, whom after all, have been mostly producing goods that the US has stopped producing such as textiles and plastic toys.

That is correct. There are also benefits from cheap credit, but the negs have outweighed the advantages in practice. Cheap credit means cheap interest rates for those saving the money, and as a whole has discouraged saving. Without savings, there is no capital formulation. Hence the capital has to come from somewhere or it will dry up.

Forcing cheap credit is a free market distortion because interest rates for credit and capital savings should be allowed to cyclically rise and fall based on capital demand and supply. If credit and capital is running out, the cost of lending should be automatically higher as a response, and the higher the interest rates, the more people are encouraged to save, formulating capital.

However, the Fed through Alan Greenspan has manipulated and distorted this. So capital dried out, and the source of new capital comes from foreign sources. The consequence is an IOU, and the inevitable result of this, you have to sell the farm to pay the IOU. When you lose the farm, you lose the production capital. This results in things like why much of the US paint industry is owned by ICW a British company, or how Anheuser Busch get owned by a Dutch company.

The second issue is the idea that consumerism is not a part of capitalism, because the fundamental element in a capitalist market is the freedom to transact between a buyer and a seller at an agreed-upon price. Without the market in the States, there would not be this level of production in China, and without the seed capital and the seed technology inflow from the West, Chinese firms would not have the means to accumulate capacity. After all, can it be any more clearer that this process is how China has benefited by opening up to the West?

That part works too. But then again, this is for the benefit of the Chinese producers/Capitalists. American consumerism also contributes to the low savings rate in the country and hinders capital formation, along with the other factor mentioned above.

Here is the other problem of cheap credit. We have never used them wisely, appropriately or efficiently. Maybe some did, use it to finance technology projects, provide loans for students and schools, help develop alternative energy sources but others and more so, abuse this, buying gas guzzling luxury cars, yachts and homes, providing opulent compensation packages, wasted them on everything from pork barrel projects to social entitlements to military adventurism abroad.

If we are using credit unwisely, free markets alone should have dictated some form of correction mechanism to stop this from happening, and the way this has to be expressed through the tightening of credit, which means credit cost must go up. But because of distortion mechanisms through Greenspan's policies and foreign credit supply, the correction mechanism failed to enact.

Perpetual cheap credit by itself is not right and it is actually against the free market principle that the cost of credit must arbitrarily rise and fall with supply and demand. Perpetual cheap credit is faux capitalism.

Lastly, even though the US has been consuming much more of its income, it does not mean that there has been no productive endeavors in the US. After all, if it is true that only manufacturing labor count as productivity, why then do we spend any money at all paying salesmen at malls, accountants who do the taxes or investment bankers to guide us through corporate transactions? There are definite economic values to all of these activities, and activities in the service sector isn't any inferior to manufacturing as manufacturing was to agriculture back in the late 1800s.

No they're not, but they certainly pay and hire less. As a whole service industries don't produce jobs in the number as manufacturing industries do. A service industry cannot produce a middle class, nor sustain one in the long run.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Lastly, even though the US has been consuming much more of its income, it does not mean that there has been no productive endeavors in the US. After all, if it is true that only manufacturing labor count as productivity, why then do we spend any money at all paying salesmen at malls, accountants who do the taxes or investment bankers to guide us through corporate transactions? There are definite economic values to all of these activities, and activities in the service sector isn't any inferior to manufacturing as manufacturing was to agriculture back in the late 1800s

I don't believe service industry can exist in vacuum Without healthy manufacturing or productive sector there will be no service industry

What are they going to service, accounting firm need manufacturing so does the wall street' You just cannot selling real estate and insurance to each other You need someone to generate income selling product
 

FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
That is correct. There are also benefits from cheap credit, but the negs have outweighed the advantages in practice. Cheap credit means cheap interest rates for those saving the money, and as a whole has discouraged saving. Without savings, there is no capital formulation. Hence the capital has to come from somewhere or it will dry up.

Forcing cheap credit is a free market distortion because interest rates for credit and capital savings should be allowed to cyclically rise and fall based on capital demand and supply. If credit and capital is running out, the cost of lending should be automatically higher as a response, and the higher the interest rates, the more people are encouraged to save, formulating capital.

However, the Fed through Alan Greenspan has manipulated and distorted this. So capital dried out, and the source of new capital comes from foreign sources. The consequence is an IOU, and the inevitable result of this, you have to sell the farm to pay the IOU. When you lose the farm, you lose the production capital. This results in things like why much of the US paint industry is owned by ICW a British company, or how Anheuser Busch get owned by a Dutch company.

Foreign capital has always been there. The Japanese made huge investments in NY real estate before their equity market went bust. China is a relatively new player to the scene, and so far, they have not made any successful attempt in gaining majority ownership in American industry. In fact I advocated for the Chinese to do so on this thread.

The problem, as David Goldman has logically demonstrated in his blog, is that when the American business cycle goes into a trough, as it is doing now, the world tends to be in deep trouble too, and the flight to safety from equity investors around the world necessarily imports a lot of credit to America under these conditions. Why? Because the US is most politically stable, unlike the Russians who you never know when they are going to engineer an asset takeover, or the Argentinians who had relied on dropping money out of a helicopter at any signs of trouble in the past. The availability of American credit is as much as a policy decision by the Fed as it is a structural condition of the world's political economy.

Here is the other problem of cheap credit. We have never used them wisely, appropriately or efficiently. Maybe some did, use it to finance technology projects, provide loans for students and schools, help develop alternative energy sources but others and more so, abuse this, buying gas guzzling luxury cars, yachts and homes, providing opulent compensation packages, wasted them on everything from pork barrel projects to social entitlements to military adventurism abroad.

Bingo. That's my main point.

Perpetual cheap credit by itself is not right and it is actually against the free market principle that the cost of credit must arbitrarily rise and fall with supply and demand. Perpetual cheap credit is faux capitalism.

Credit is not cheap necessarily right now in the States. Banks are under-capitalized and households have suffered a major hit in equity. What you are seeing right now is in fact a recession/correction generated by the business cycle. The Fed has successfully for the most part saved the system, and the bank recap process is going to be a long and slow one.

No they're not, but they certainly pay and hire less. As a whole service industries don't produce jobs in the number as manufacturing industries do. A service industry cannot produce a middle class, nor sustain one in the long run.

Check the numbers Crobato. Most of Americans, which include the middle class, are employed in the service sector, and they make some of the best wages in the world. Have you been living on continental US or Hawaii?

One thing though, the housing sector is certainly dead. They'd have to retrain those people so they can pursue other ways of making a living. Since the Boomers are retiring, the medical care industry might be a good place to look.
 

FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
Don't know how I forgot to make this point, but any disequilibrium would be engineered by the Chinese who are pegging the Yuan. Can't blame Greenspan for the US running a massive capital surplus/current account deficit when the trade deficit is causing this condition. If you want high interest rates, high savings, less foreign capital flow, then you must have less trade deficit as well, which would really put CCP's ability to rule and maintain basic order in serious jeopardy.
 

Roger604

Senior Member
My two cents. Don't be blinded by arbitrary categories of "government" or "private". All system of government has to answer the basic question: who will govern the government? It's trite to suggest a solution like "independent judiciary" when the basic question is not answered.

Also, it's silly to suggest that less government is the right answer to everything since it implies that there are no or very few public functions that are worthy of being provided. Or in other words, everybody can provide for themselves the functions that may alternatively be a government-provided public function. As if everybody could inspect food and medicine for defects to protect themselves.

The upshot of this is that very few clear lines can be drawn between China and other countries in terms of governance. You have societies that have a basic need for order. They have a basic need for public services. And they face the basic question of allocation authority and power among people in a way that is distributively fair and efficient for the purpose of governance.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
Foreign capital has always been there. The Japanese made huge investments in NY real estate before their equity market went bust. China is a relatively new player to the scene, and so far, they have not made any successful attempt in gaining majority ownership in American industry. In fact I advocated for the Chinese to do so on this thread.

Those investments the Japanese help balanced off the Reagan era deficits and ushered the era of Greenspan. Starting the road to this crisis.

The problem, as David Goldman has logically demonstrated in his blog, is that when the American business cycle goes into a trough, as it is doing now, the world tends to be in deep trouble too, and the flight to safety from equity investors around the world necessarily imports a lot of credit to America under these conditions. Why? Because the US is most politically stable, unlike the Russians who you never know when they are going to engineer an asset takeover, or the Argentinians who had relied on dropping money out of a helicopter at any signs of trouble in the past. The availability of American credit is as much as a policy decision by the Fed as it is a structural condition of the world's political economy.

Maybe you need to read a bit more from Schiff instead. And quite frankly, we are no longer seeing this migration. Its not about political stability, its about currency stability. Do you understand why rich Americans have been gradually moving their money into somewhere else that is not US dollar denominated?


Credit is not cheap necessarily right now in the States. Banks are under-capitalized and households have suffered a major hit in equity. What you are seeing right now is in fact a recession/correction generated by the business cycle. The Fed has successfully for the most part saved the system, and the bank recap process is going to be a long and slow one.

No. The system hasn't been saved yet, and we are just beginning to fall from the precipice. Credit is no longer cheap because it has all been used up.


Check the numbers Crobato. Most of Americans, which include the middle class, are employed in the service sector, and they make some of the best wages in the world. Have you been living on continental US or Hawaii?

And most Americans are also in debt. And lets put it in another way, there are 36 million Americans living in the poverty line. That is 12% of the population and rising. Poverty line is defined as worry what to eat the next day.

What we are seeing right now is the unsustainability of a hollowed out, mainly service economy.

High wage = faux productivity. If wages are the basis for productivity, then the UAW worker is superior than his counterpart in Japan. Yet, markets and sales of cars shows otherwise.

Again, note how the way things are measured. Its a distortion. Basic market economics tell you that whoever makes the same product for a lower cost is generally the more efficient one. Yet by measuring wages, you conclude the less efficient worker to be the more productive. For that matter, we must conclude the CEO of AIG must be the most productive of all, when he gets his 8 million dollars worth of entitlement.

If the rowers in a rowboat represent the producers of the manufacturing economy, the superintendents placed to watch over the producers are the service economy. If you have 10 people in a rowboat, which is more efficient and gets to the finish line faster, the rowboat with 1 superintendent with 9 rowers, or the rowboat with 9 superintendents and 1 rower?
 

FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
Those investments the Japanese help balanced off the Reagan era deficits and ushered the era of Greenspan. Starting the road to this crisis.

The explosion of Japanese property and equity markets in the 80s, which were then export to the US, was a result of a combination of Japanese fiscal spending on public works/real estate projects, which provided collateral for Japanese corporate borrowing and further allowing a process of reciprocal sharing holding, which artificially drove up the demand for equities. It was basically the result of Japanese losing competitiveness due to the Plaza Accord and aggressively using financial income to derive corporate earnings. Can't blame that on Greenspan necessarily.

Maybe you need to read a bit more from Schiff instead. And quite frankly, we are no longer seeing this migration. Its not about political stability, its about currency stability. Do you understand why rich Americans have been gradually moving their money into somewhere else that is not US dollar denominated?

Schiff is right on the money a lot of times, and he's right in this case. In the long term, there is no doubt that the incoming inflationary pressures, which I had even said in this thread was going to crash the value of Treasuries, is going to scare away a lot of Asian investors. Private investors like the Japanese boomers may be the first to go, since they had to redeem their funds anyway to fund their retirement. Small central banks in Asia may go at the sign of trouble. So in the next two years, it is very likely that the drastic expansion in high-powered money will fuel inflation and will produce a hard landing for the dollar. Not right now though. Coordinated de-leveraging has already led to the liquidation of dollar assets held by hedge funds and private equities overseas, and private investors are pulling back as fast as they were in the Asian financial crisis. Brad Setser estimated that $63 billion of american equity investments overseas has been pulled back, again a demonstration of where wealth and capital is. The result? Massive debt problems and currency debasement problems for countries that don't have the Fed swap lines, such as Russia and Brazil. At this point it's become a positive feedback mechanism, where as it gets worse in Russia and Brazil, the money is fleeing those countries to the Treasuries. David Goldman is absolutely right in this regard, and facts and data support his argument.


No. The system hasn't been saved yet, and we are just beginning to fall from the precipice. Credit is no longer cheap because it has all been used up.

Credit is no longer cheap because the banks are slowly recapitalizing through purchases of cheap assets liquidated by Hedge funds and funding those purchases at 1% at the discount window. It's going to be a slow process, and during this process the Fed itself has aggregated so much capital that it may very well directly intervene in the mortgage and consumer credit markets to ease lending.


And most Americans are also in debt. And lets put it in another way, there are 36 million Americans living in the poverty line. That is 12% of the population and rising. Poverty line is defined as worry what to eat the next day.

What we are seeing right now is the unsustainability of a hollowed out, mainly service economy.

High wage = faux productivity. If wages are the basis for productivity, then the UAW worker is superior than his counterpart in Japan. Yet, markets and sales of cars shows otherwise.

Again, note how the way things are measured. Its a distortion. Basic market economics tell you that whoever makes the same product for a lower cost is generally the more efficient one. Yet by measuring wages, you conclude the less efficient worker to be the more productive. For that matter, we must conclude the CEO of AIG must be the most productive of all, when he gets his 8 million dollars worth of entitlement.

If the rowers in a rowboat represent the producers of the manufacturing economy, the superintendents placed to watch over the producers are the service economy. If you have 10 people in a rowboat, which is more efficient and gets to the finish line faster, the rowboat with 1 superintendent with 9 rowers, or the rowboat with 9 superintendents and 1 rower?

Wages were artificially driven up by the Unions, which bleed corporate retained income and doomed the Big Three for failures during rough times. But wages are ultimately determined by demand in the goods and labor markets, more so the goods market. Wages are derived by labor which are then stored as claims on someone else's labor in the form of fiat money. This way, you wouldn't have to go through the trouble of directly locating someone who needed your labor at the same time when you needed his. The value of your labor measured by wages is then the demand that other people have for your service. By giving providing you a five dollar bill at a hot dog shop, for example, a counter-party has in fact just given up a portion of his claims on labor for the good and service that you offer. So the value of your wage is determined primarily through the goods market. When the corporation pays a CEO 8 million or whatever, its in fact trading the claims of services that it has earned for the CEO's productivity, and in the process forgoing alternative claims on the productivity of other people or assets. So don't just think the salaries are mindlessly determined; there is always great opportunity costs involved. The fact of the matter is, no one is trading their claims on labor for overpriced domestic manufacturers because people around the world can make the same product at a lower price, which is a saving in terms of opportunity cost for people in this country. People used to clamor back in Britain around the time of the industrial revolution that freeing up labor in agriculture for manufacturing was a big mistake, and that Britain would ultimately be worse because it would have to rely on others for agricultural commodities. Today's battle cry for manufacturing carries the same tune.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
The explosion of Japanese property and equity markets in the 80s, which were then export to the US, was a result of a combination of Japanese fiscal spending on public works/real estate projects, which provided collateral for Japanese corporate borrowing and further allowing a process of reciprocal sharing holding, which artificially drove up the demand for equities. It was basically the result of Japanese losing competitiveness due to the Plaza Accord and aggressively using financial income to derive corporate earnings. Can't blame that on Greenspan necessarily.

That's not necessarily getting the whole picture. You get high real estate prices because of natural supply and demand. Japan has way too much money and way too little land. So the result is to be expected. Same with other parts of Asia.


Schiff is right on the money a lot of times, and he's right in this case. In the long term, there is no doubt that the incoming inflationary pressures, which I had even said in this thread was going to crash the value of Treasuries, is going to scare away a lot of Asian investors. Private investors like the Japanese boomers may be the first to go, since they had to redeem their funds anyway to fund their retirement. Small central banks in Asia may go at the sign of trouble. So in the next two years, it is very likely that the drastic expansion in high-powered money will fuel inflation and will produce a hard landing for the dollar. Not right now though. Coordinated de-leveraging has already led to the liquidation of dollar assets held by hedge funds and private equities overseas, and private investors are pulling back as fast as they were in the Asian financial crisis. Brad Setser estimated that $63 billion of american equity investments overseas has been pulled back, again a demonstration of where wealth and capital is. The result? Massive debt problems and currency debasement problems for countries that don't have the Fed swap lines, such as Russia and Brazil. At this point it's become a positive feedback mechanism, where as it gets worse in Russia and Brazil, the money is fleeing those countries to the Treasuries. David Goldman is absolutely right in this regard, and facts and data support his argument.

There is a short burst in Treasuries but not in the long term. The problems remains in investing in dollar denominated assets which is expected to rapidly lose value in the coming years once the US Treasury starts printing out lots of money to make up for the massive deficit shortfalls due to the bail outs. In order for the US Treasuries to remain attractive, they have to raise interest rates to encourage savings and more foreign investment. The next wave of economic crisis will center on this.

Lots of money is being poured into China faster. Since the time of the crisis broke, China went from under $2 trillion to over it. Americans pulling money out of Russia and Brazil isn't necessarily putting the money back into the US, it may just as mean they're putting the money into another country.


Credit is no longer cheap because the banks are slowly recapitalizing through purchases of cheap assets liquidated by Hedge funds and funding those purchases at 1% at the discount window. It's going to be a slow process, and during this process the Fed itself has aggregated so much capital that it may very well directly intervene in the mortgage and consumer credit markets to ease lending.

Credit is no longer cheap because the supply has run out while the demand keeps getting bigger. The Fed doesn't have that much capital either in relation to the demand for credit and the deficits that are occurring. Just remember which country has the biggest public account deficits in the world and exactly how much that is.




Wages were artificially driven up by the Unions, which bleed corporate retained income and doomed the Big Three for failures during rough times.

The average UAW worker gets around 26 to 28 dollars an hour. Its just a few dollars more than his Japanese counterpart. But he gets around $40 dollars an hour worth of entitlements after he retires. Why? Because, unlike his Japanese counterpart, the US worker lacks a universal national health care safety net.

But wages are ultimately determined by demand in the goods and labor markets, more so the goods market. Wages are derived by labor which are then stored as claims on someone else's labor in the form of fiat money. This way, you wouldn't have to go through the trouble of directly locating someone who needed your labor at the same time when you needed his. The value of your labor measured by wages is then the demand that other people have for your service. By giving providing you a five dollar bill at a hot dog shop, for example, a counter-party has in fact just given up a portion of his claims on labor for the good and service that you offer. So the value of your wage is determined primarily through the goods market. When the corporation pays a CEO 8 million or whatever, its in fact trading the claims of services that it has earned for the CEO's productivity, and in the process forgoing alternative claims on the productivity of other people or assets. So don't just think the salaries are mindlessly determined; there is always great opportunity costs involved. The fact of the matter is, no one is trading their claims on labor for overpriced domestic manufacturers because people around the world can make the same product at a lower price, which is a saving in terms of opportunity cost for people in this country. People used to clamor back in Britain around the time of the industrial revolution that freeing up labor in agriculture for manufacturing was a big mistake, and that Britain would ultimately be worse because it would have to rely on others for agricultural commodities. Today's battle cry for manufacturing carries the same tune.

Wages are not completely determined by market forces. There are the unions negotiating and governments mandating. Not everything are "wages" or labor that goes directly to the value of the product as opposed to benefits and entitlements being tacked on to the cost of the product. These additional costs do not increase the value and performance of the product.

When the Big Three under, don't expect anyone to fill the vacuum, not with our current entitlement environment.

On the issue of productivity, having entitlement and benefits added to the total wage does not make a person "greater productivity". It only means you got a higher social cost, which is in fact inefficient. Costs of social welfare, which is the benefits and entitlements, are uncompetitive factors being added to the cost of each product.

When a CEO gets paid 8 million dollars worth of salaries and entitlements then bring his company to the brink, I don't think he is productive at all. For that matter, why are Japanese CEOs being paid much less when their companies are far more competitive?

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"The contract negotiated with the UAW in 2007 set the average auto worker's wage at $28. The $73 number was arrived at by taking all the costs of retirement and healthcare programs and dividing by the total number of hours worked by all employees. But those total numbers include the costs for the hundreds of thousands of retirees. US auto companies have been in business for nearly a hundred years, and there are still a lot of retirees who are alive and collecting their pensions. The actual value of benefits received by employees is around $10/hour.

Foreign auto companies have two big advantages here: First, the workers who build cars in foreign countries are mostly covered by government pension and healthcare systems, so the manufacturers are not burdened with those costs. Secondly, their local factories here in this country have not been in business long enough to accumulate a large army of retirees. For the local factories, this will even out over time, but in the interim, the Big Three are operating at a cost disadvantage. "
 
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FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
That's not necessarily getting the whole picture. You get high real estate prices because of natural supply and demand. Japan has way too much money and way too little land. So the result is to be expected. Same with other parts of Asia.

The Japanese real estate and equity booms and busts were eerily similar to the American ones in that both were aided by the easing of monetary policies. The Japanese real estate boom was a result of artificial demand, not real demand, and it was also driven by fiscal projects that at the end of day were just a bunch of bridges leading to nowhere. At the height of this real estate boom, corporations tapped into the capital markets to fund purchases of real estate, which were then used as collateral for further leveraging, It was a self-feeding process that went bust as monetary policy tightened, much like this current American one.

There is a short burst in Treasuries but not in the long term. The problems remains in investing in dollar denominated assets which is expected to rapidly lose value in the coming years once the US Treasury starts printing out lots of money to make up for the massive deficit shortfalls due to the bail outs. In order for the US Treasuries to remain attractive, they have to raise interest rates to encourage savings and more foreign investment. The next wave of economic crisis will center on this.

In the long run, most would agree that the fundamentals of the dollar is weak because the US will be using most of the foreign capital inflow to fund social entitlement problems, which the US Treasury has estimated to be around $44 trillion in the next 75 years. Obviously, it won't take 75 years for something to give.

Lots of money is being poured into China faster. Since the time of the crisis broke, China went from under $2 trillion to over it. Americans pulling money out of Russia and Brazil isn't necessarily putting the money back into the US, it may just as mean they're putting the money into another country.

People's Bank of China's forex holdings is mostly a function of the trade surplus because it targets the exchange rate, which means it is committed to exchange the dollar for RMB within a trading band. Theoretically China could sell its dollar holdings and purchase the euro, but that would simply strengthen the euro vis-a-vis the dollar, weakening the dollar and making it tougher to export to the US and very possibly raising the price of oil. The fact that the Chinese forex holdings have increased at a time of decreasing exports is a dangerous sign that domestic consumption of foreign goods is dropping at a fast level, signaling a big time cool down and not just in real estate.

Credit is no longer cheap because the supply has run out while the demand keeps getting bigger. The Fed doesn't have that much capital either in relation to the demand for credit and the deficits that are occurring. Just remember which country has the biggest public account deficits in the world and exactly how much that is.

The problem, at least for the last couple of months has been that foreigners are too eager to flee domestic markets and take their savings to the US, leaving the cost of borrowing for the Fed at an astounding 0% on two month T-bills, absolutely unprecedented. And the problem with that is the huge outflow of capital from countries like Korea, Russia and Brazil has been a rapid depletion of forex reserves, rapid depreciation and inability to fund dollar liabilities. That's why the Koreans had to go to the Chinese, the Japanese and the Fed for dollar swap lines and why Russian oil giants had to take out dollar bailout loans from the Chinese to fund its dollar liabilities. David Goldman is again right on the money in that the the susceptibility of emerging markets to capital flights is a result of a lack of international monetary arrangement like a Bretton Woods, and that is again bankrupting the developing world as it did in the Asian Financial Crisis.


The average UAW worker gets around 26 to 28 dollars an hour. Its just a few dollars more than his Japanese counterpart. But he gets around $40 dollars an hour worth of entitlements after he retires. Why? Because, unlike his Japanese counterpart, the US worker lacks a universal national health care safety net.

That's right. The Japanese worker also has savings and pays much less in medical care because the Japanese government caps the cost of medicine and medical procedures.

Wages are not completely determined by market forces. There are the unions negotiating and governments mandating. Not everything are "wages" or labor that goes directly to the value of the product as opposed to benefits and entitlements being tacked on to the cost of the product. These additional costs do not increase the value and performance of the product.

Exactly. This deviation from market wages has led to the fall of Detroit.


Foreign auto companies have two big advantages here: First, the workers who build cars in foreign countries are mostly covered by government pension and healthcare systems, so the manufacturers are not burdened with those costs. Secondly, their local factories here in this country have not been in business long enough to accumulate a large army of retirees. For the local factories, this will even out over time, but in the interim, the Big Three are operating at a cost disadvantage. "

Exactly. The myopic demands for immediate benefits and deny the company the internal capital savings that it needs to ride out tough times and be profitable have led Detroit on the road of death. The only way is to adopt more economic compensation packages.
 
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