US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
So it was the X-planes that flew for 100s of hours, not the F-47 prototype itself.

In that case, I don't see how that's any different from China's case with the J-20S (plus some other unknown aircrafts) which have been acting as the J-36's X-plane(s) for the past few years.

A tight race between the J-36 + J-XDS versus the F-47 indeed.
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Yeah it all comes down to just how representative the X-planes were to the EMD design. We'll only know if they show us. But them being at EMD stage implies they're at the same or greater stage of maturity than what the YF-22 was to the F-22.
 
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antwerpery said:
While that's true, having too many cooks/contractors and having all this large and slow multi-billion companies talking to each other isn't a recipe for quick and cheap development


Oh you have no idea how fucked Boeing is. Plenty of people have heard of their high profile failures, the 737Max, their safety issues with civilian aviation, SLS and starliner. But there's plenty of other small-medium fuckups that never make the news and there's plenty of them. Ever heard of the T-7, KC-36, their issues with Airforce one, their satellite exploding or the MH-139?
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Some of them are small, but having cracks form on half of your brand new tankers, being 5 years late on a single Airforce one and fucking up so hard that you are 3 years behind schedule on a training plane? And combined with their high profile failures? It's a consistent trend. Which is not to say that Boeing fails at everything, Boeing still makes the F-18 and F-15EX and those programs seem fine for example. But F-18 and F-15EX are old airframes that were originally designed under McDonnell Douglas before the merger. Alot of the new projects Boeing has seems to have issues. I can't see the F-47 going smoothly.
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Comparing completely separate programs dosen't tell you much. The best way to judge is to just look at how they've done in the relevant program so far. And as you said their fighter aircraft side is doing relatively fine right now as well. But the way NGAD is being managed is such that if Boeing does falter in some areas the USAF is not locked into being stuck with them.
 
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sevrent said:
And as you said their fighter aircraft side is doing relatively fine right now as well.
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Those are old fighters though. All developed from the days of Mcdonnell Douglas, almost all their new program have major issues, cost overruns and years long delays.
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But the way NGAD is being managed is such that if Boeing does falter in some areas the USAF is not locked into being stuck with them.
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It will still likely result in delays and increased costs. Not great for such a complex project that will likely be over-budget and delayed even with an experienced and competent company behind it.
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Comparing completely separate programs dosen't tell you much.
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Considering the sheer amount of issues in almost every new program that they're working on... It's a trend for sure. It's also Boeing's first time working on a stealth plane, I don't see a reality where they deliver it on time and on budget and without a whole host of issues that will make the F-35 look like child play's in comparison.
 
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