US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

sevrent

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Maintaining NGAD and F/A-XX as different programs was justified first and foremost by the assumption that USAF requirements would likely produce an aircraft too large and too heavy to operate from a carrier. That basic assumption has now been called into question with some speculation that F-47 may actually be smaller than F-22.
that assumption was made by OSINTers. No one from DoD ever suggested that. You seem to be suggesting that both the USAF and USN changed their original plans in some way, but if that was the case we would see it. They’d have to put out RFPs again and redo certain procedures and delay the programs massively. It’d be incredibly obvious if it happened.

so it's not clear to me why USN would also disproportionately favour the former
They’ve publicly said they want F/A-XX to focus more on strike in hearings to congress. I don’t know how much clearer that can get
 

zyklon

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Both services will not have their requirements met with a common aircraft, both have set out from the beginning to run their own
independent programs.

That's one of the principal reasons why so many Americans are unhappy with the F-35 program.

It's "kind of hard," if not arguably impossible to design an aircraft or even three versions of an aircraft based on a common platform that fully satisfy the USAF, USN and USMC.

Regardless, we'll find out soon enough if the DoD has possibly, finally learned its lesson when it comes to compromising divergent service requirements in the name of cost savings.

They’ve publicly said they want F/A-XX to focus more on strike in hearings to congress. I don’t know how much clearer that can get

Unfortunately for the USN, Congress and the White House rarely give them everything they want.

In fact, sometimes, the DoD will even exaggerate threats and requirements hoping or thinking that will convince elected officials to give them a little more, or at least satiate minimum requirements set forth internally by appointed officials.
 
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sevrent

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That's one of the principal reasons why so many Americans are unhappy with the F-35 program.

It's "kind of hard," if not arguably impossible to design an aircraft or even three versions of an aircraft based on a common platform that fully satisfy the USAF, USN and USMC.

Regardless, we'll find out soon enough if the DoD has possibly, finally learned its lesson when it comes to compromising divergent service requirements in the name of cost savings.
I dont know why we need to wait to find out when we already do? Its been clearly messaged from the start their both USAF and USN programs are distinct. And there's been no change in the message

Unfortunately for the USN, Congress and the White House rarely give them everything they want.

In fact, sometimes, the DoD will even exaggerate threats and requirements hoping or thinking that will convince elected officials to give them a little more, or at least satiate minimum requirements set forth internally by appointed officials.
Ok? I guess call me when that happens cause so far we haven't seen any change in the process. If there were any alterations being made we would know cause its public
 

zyklon

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Ok? I guess call me when that happens cause so far we haven't seen any change in the process. If there were any alterations being made we would know cause its public

I didn't realize programs that are principally executed and managed in SCIFs and SAPFs are in fact totally and completely "public," but if you say so! GGs . . . :cool:
 

sevrent

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I didn't realize programs that are principally executed and managed in SCIFs and SAPFs are in fact totally and completely "public," but if you say so! GGs . . . :cool:
If something as big as a complete change to requirements or some form of re-scoping occurred, it'd be incredibly difficult to hide? The fact we're even getting the EMD awards handed out right now is proof that nothing of that sort happened.
 

Deino

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Not suggesting anything specific, but what would prompt the artist to make the decision to only airbrush out these two areas? ;)
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Might be back intakes.
It must have very large and tall back intakes


Here a bit enhanced ... so maybe tails?

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Even more interesting ... as it seems also the F/A-XX winner will be announced this weekend!

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siegecrossbow

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Here a bit enhanced ... so maybe tails?

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Even more interesting ... as it seems also the F/A-XX winner will be announced this weekend!

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If it does have tails then it is game over for all aspect stealth. No amount of cope could help unless they are collapsible like what we thought J-XD had.
 
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