US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

siegecrossbow

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Again to be honest F-47 can be cheaper without compromising on performance if it has a tighter supply chain. F-35 spread out it's production over two continents and f-22 orders were cancelled by a lot.
F-35 supply chains were a chaos. If Boeing makes everything within a few states then it's not difficult to keep costs under control.

Only way it can be cheaper than F-22 without compromising performance is if they our sourced the job to CAC.
 

Hyper

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Only way it can be cheaper than F-22 without compromising performance is if they our sourced the job to CAC.
F-22 had an extremely tense and torturous acquisition. Adjusted for inflation F-47 can definitely be cheaper. The orders were fought tooth and nail. The abrupt end sent the average cost into the stratosphere. F-47 has much more importance and support. Other programs can be cancelled to clear money.
 

kentchang

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F-22 had an extremely tense and torturous acquisition. Adjusted for inflation F-47 can definitely be cheaper. The orders were fought tooth and nail. The abrupt end sent the average cost into the stratosphere. F-47 has much more importance and support. Other programs can be cancelled to clear money.

Equally likely is for the F-47 to be cancelled. At least the USN has carrier to base its aircrafts. The USAF needs runways so as soon as the range is known, PLA can work on the access denial. Northrop/B-21 supporters will be very pleased.
 

SlothmanAllen

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I took a look through the last several pages and didn't see these concept renders posted. I found them on the Secret Projects Forum thread Boeing F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) posted by @Deino. Apparently they come from a Chinese artist who did some nice concepts on the J-36.

NGAD1.jpg

NGAD2.jpg

NGAD 3.jpg

Obviously taking some liberties as we don't know what the rear of the plane looks like, but I think they are pretty cool!
 

defenceman

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Okay a few problems with your argument.
1) Europe is very unhappy with the United States. The U.S. right now is at an all time low on popularity.
2) When you give up production of something it takes a long time and more money to redevelop the capacity to make it.
Tempest isn’t just to fill a mission gap for the British, Italian and Japanese airforces it’s also to maintain the capability of these countries to develop future capabilities. The UK is a perfect example of this. They kept fighter production via Typhoon but lost Tank and small arms. Despite having been one of the first to develop the Tank and being a major leader in western tank technology development for most of the 20th century the UK had to turn to a German company Rhinemetall to modernize for the Challanger III. British arms were once prized but today they are reliant on HK, Glock, KAC, CZ/ Colt Canada and FN.
in the 40’s-70s the UK had an indigenous civil aviation industry. Today they buy French, Canadian, Italian or American. The residual industry they have is slaved to foreign makers or completely ceded. That’s why Dassault despite many offers remains insisting that FCAS and GCAP remain separate. It’s why Japan has joined GCAP in the hopes of getting and retaining a production capacity inside Japan.
Hi,
thanks for your detailed reply, my post was directly related to UK developing the 6th gen
at the moment all the European countries getting and flying F35 ( France not ) in future will be looking for
6th gen and the only country in Europe planning to develop one with Japan actively is UK and probably
we all know about the tendency of standing straight against USA is zero
now I’m not saying programme will be shelved fully but to some extent will be delayed so USA can introduce
a new generation of fighter in this side of the world and this side of the world countries still have bucks to pay
for the achievements or enhancement of USA defiance industry though this scenario im talking about 6th European is well away or beyond 2032/34 scenario so lets see when or who will be fielding 6th generation
this side of Atlantic or the other side
thank you
 

Nx4eu

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Hi,
thanks for your detailed reply, my post was directly related to UK developing the 6th gen
at the moment all the European countries getting and flying F35 ( France not ) in future will be looking for
6th gen and the only country in Europe planning to develop one with Japan actively is UK and probably
we all know about the tendency of standing straight against USA is zero
now I’m not saying programme will be shelved fully but to some extent will be delayed so USA can introduce
a new generation of fighter in this side of the world and this side of the world countries still have bucks to pay
for the achievements or enhancement of USA defiance industry though this scenario im talking about 6th European is well away or beyond 2032/34 scenario so lets see when or who will be fielding 6th generation
this side of Atlantic or the other side
thank you
Actual interest and progress in the GCAP program by UK, Japan, and Italy is actually doing vey well last I heard. All the workshare has been figured out and the demonstrator is on track to fly by 2027. With how trump has been acting towards Europe lately, interest in GCAP is at an all time high among partners so I think it's very unlikely to be shelved. Countries like Saudi Arabia have also shown interest in joining at least as a 'partner' to purchase the platform but not as a development partner.

Especially after trump has been warming ties with Russia, and announcing that it would like to sell downgraded 6th gen's to Europe. Programs like GCAP which promote domestic European industry and decrease reliance on an increasingly hostile United States are unlikely to be shelved for a American airplane for the foreseeable future, or for until a democrat is re-elected and reverses all of Trump's stupid policies.
 
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