Unmanned Combat Ground Vehicle

Blitzo

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This is the beginning phase of what I see have already happened in ADAS industry.

Have you taken a look at Unitree Go2? if you haven't, then you should
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It uses advanced 4D Lidar tech that significantly improves IDing of objects

This is pretty far ahead of the sensors that Boston Dynamics Spot uses (which I assume is the best that US army could work with)
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which is basically IMU + vision
That's imo just pure garbage
It also got in with Hydraulics drive robot at that early stage and have now realized that doesn't work and is finally moving to electric drive
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This is all emblematic at a subpar system developed at great cost at a time when autonomous tech simply was not ready for market yet.
And that's what US army is stuck with.

Go 2 only came on unveiled in July & PLA already has it in oversea exercises. We've also seen them train Go 2 with drones carrying them and transporting them to destination.
That's pretty fast progress for a few month

Unitree itself talks about AI & Robot GPT used to make decisions, which over time through field deployment is how you collect data to continue to refine the model

So given what I've seen just in a few months, I can extrapolate this over a few years and see them mass produce a bunch of dogs that operate autonomously.

That's just not possible with US military & Boston Dynamics. It's like watching Mobileye in action in ADAS. An earlier player stuck with archaic technology & enable to move forward. Also built a system that is too costly to see mass adoption in civilian field, which means they won't be able to scale up production.

Whereas for Unitree, when you price something like $1600, you know it's going to see a whole bunch of demand around the world and see huge vertical scaling, enabling robot dog army in the future.

When I posted these clips in response to robot dog army, it wasn't about what they have now, but what will they have. The key here is that they have the domestic firms here with commercializable product that is clearly moving very fast. I could be jumping the gun here in thinking they will get to a certain point in say 5 years, but what I've seen in EV and drones industry tells me that I'm not.

If you want to say this is the beginning phase for exploring the usage of this kind of product for military uses, I have no problem with that.

However "large scale" is very much exaggerating it.

Using them in small scale experimentation exercises and in overseas dog and pony shows is to be expected and not particularly impressive and certainly not large scale.



Once we see them utilizing these products on an actual large scale by the PLA, then it can be acknowledged.
 

by78

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Unmanned recon UGV with foldable observation mast.

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tankphobia

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If you want to say this is the beginning phase for exploring the usage of this kind of product for military uses, I have no problem with that.

However "large scale" is very much exaggerating it.

Using them in small scale experimentation exercises and in overseas dog and pony shows is to be expected and not particularly impressive and certainly not large scale.



Once we see them utilizing these products on an actual large scale by the PLA, then it can be acknowledged.
IMO this is reflected in most UGVs we see in this thread. Wheeled/tracked UGVS shown in here all have a very obvious military purpose that they are designed for, they look rugged and suited for specialized task from supply, fire support to demining. You cannot buy a civilian version of those UGVs without the payload as it's an integral part of the design. The PLA/PAP is likely to have done extensive research on how to integrate them in all levels of the force and a lot of them are probably already in use.

On the other hand, we basically do not see any robot dogs built from the ground up as a military platform, most designs appear to have a military paint over a COTS platform and a payload tacked on top, nothing wrong with that as the technology is rapidly evolving and using COTS parts saves time and money due to the complexity of robot dogs, but even from select snippets of PLA using robot dogs they do not seem to serve a clear purpose, even as capable as they are now I don't think we'll see mass induction in the near term. I just hope that defense companies aren't using robot dog as a shiny money funnel and neglect proven tracked/wheeled UGV development.

The issue of allowing autonomous targeting of humans still remains un-resolved however, I believe there will always be a man in the loop.
 
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