Ukrainian War Developments
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most of the claims of inflicting casualties on Russian forces by ukraine are unsubstantiated, without proof. They've claimed to have shot down 5 Russian fighters but zero pictures or videos...not even a single pow. I think these claims are the ukrainian versions of the Iraqi baghdad bob.
Spot on
"The activation of the response troops does not mean that any US or NATO troops will go into Ukraine, which is not a member. US President Joe Biden has been clear that US troops are deploying to eastern Europe to help bolster NATO countries nervous about Russia's aggressive actions, and they will not be fighting in Ukraine."
You really need to learn some Chinese history. What do you think China's one hundred years of humiliation really is? China lost every war and each time had to lose large tract of land and pay huge indemnities. was Qing court full of traitors? definitely not. they are incompetent at reform for sure. But there was nothing they could do when they were so outgunned. it's just lamb for the slaughter.
the only exception is against Japanese invasion, after decades of war (with minor USSR and US help)/occupation and loss of 10s of millions of Chinese lives, the USSR and the US crushed the Japs. Remember, China resisted long enough that the Japs had to attach Pearl Harbor. And the USSR earlier and US later supported China's fight against Japan because they understand if China fold, they would be in trouble. That was a very specific external condition for China to not fold.
the only major war the China fought and didn't lose was the Korean war. all four parties wanted to stop but Stalin wouldn't allow it so it can bog down US forces in the east to reduce pressure on their western front. because of that the war dragged on for two more years and 300K more Chinese soldiers lost their lives.
going further back in history, the last 2 of 3 dynasties were 'foreign' occupation (although not colonization) from han's perspective back then.
China is nobody's bitch now. But I wouldn't glorify war and unlimited resistance. The key is never to FIGHT wars, but PREPARE for wars.
The Ukrainians (with a very corrupt elite) failed to strengthen their defense and choose the right foreign policy (but clearly was baited by NATO). Resisting more now is just another error on their pile.
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People look surprised by seeing this small skirmishes, the Russians are just trying to get the Ukrainian government and NATO to meet their demands with the threat of cutting Ukraine in half. If the Russians were serious the scenes will be more like WW2 or the Korean war not this skirmishes.
The US itself would definitely get involved, the question is to what extent and what type of escalation path... but I agree the rest of NATO/EU would probably not...
Unlike Ukraine (which is really meant for Russian containment but like you said Russia economy is nothing compared to China) the TW situation has implications of geopolitical kind that impact the very existence of America, at least in the sense if America still wanted to retain its global hegemon status/ petrodollar usury etc (without which its house of cards would collapse and it would revert to civil war + breakup into pieces)
US could probably also coerce Japan, SK and the Filipinos to let it use them in a TW intervention scenario... so for now the best strategy for China is still to buy as much time to build up as fast as it can for as long as reasonably possible until/unless either TW or USA forces China's hand by deliberately crossing a bona fide red line and pushing China to the wall until it has no choice (like installing nukes in TW or US recognizing TW official declaration of independence, etc)
There have been numerous, numerous photos and videos showing Russian losses from both Ukranian and Russian sources; are you insinuating they have taken no losses? It’s not unrealistic to imagine that the Russian military isn’t invincible and losses are going to happen; some videos are evidently fake while others can be taken as truth.
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