Ukrainian War Developments

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What Russia is doing in principle is detrimental to China. They've thrown aside the respect for the sanctity of other nation's integrity and sovereignty by annexing Crimea and recognizing the two rebel republics in the east of the Ukraine. By not overtly reprimanding Russia for its transgressive behavior China is demonstrating to the world that its
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are self-centered: as long as you respect our integrity and sovereignty, we don't really care what you do with third party nation's integrity and sovereignty.
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The principle of other nation's sovereignty has been violated multiple times by the Anglos. The vast majority of the world's population was horrified by American attacks in Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan and others but were forced to remain silent.

The Ukrainian war has given the west the chance to taste their own medicine. They get see a nation's sovereignty violated while being helpless to stop it.

They aren't perfect, but there is a reason why the UN and other international bodies exist. It's better countries try everything they can to solve disputes peacefully. You may be the most powerful nation on earth, but one day the boot will be on another foot.
 
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Zichan said:
They will likely take Ukraine,
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So far so good. All in reality.
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but long term this is a strategic blunder for Putin. The occupation and pacification of the Ukraine will not come cheap. The sanctions will cripple the Russian economy for years to come, and the decline of Russia from great power status will only accelerate. The Russians and their various constituent nations will become increasingly restive. Add to that an aging and increasingly paranoid Putin, and the West will have an ever easier time to set them up for regime change and possibly balkanization. China should be wary of relying too much on Russia.
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Aaaand, we're in
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Zichan said:
They will likely take Ukraine, but long term this is a strategic blunder for Putin. The occupation and pacification of the Ukraine will not come cheap. The sanctions will cripple the Russian economy for years to come, and the decline of Russia from great power status will only accelerate. The Russians and their various constituent nations will become increasingly restive. Add to that an aging and increasingly paranoid Putin, and the West will have an ever easier time to set them up for regime change and possibly balkanization. China should be wary of relying too much on Russia.
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Russia is already weak, but it feels boxed in by NATO, so adding a few more sanctions (offset by China), and establishing a de-militarized neutral buffer zone is well worth the high price if it means safeguarding your national sovereignty and security interests. Just like UK's Brexit from EU, some nations do things not out of consideration of dollars and cents, but out of vague intangible national security interests that sometimes might hurt them economically, but they think it's worth the costs because the perception of sovereignty is paramount.
 
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How many people in the UK protested against the Iraq war?

The west are trying to spin this as an unpopular war lead by an unpopular dictator. They are forgetting who Putin is and where he came from. He was a pro western moderate hand picked by Yeltsin.
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I would qualify him has a cunning fox but Yeltsin didn't have all his fingers anyway.
 
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