Ukrainian War Developments

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bustead

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Overbom said:
Seems idiotic to me. It is flying way way too low. It would be a sitting duck against manpads.

I though the Ukranian reports of downing 6 Russian jets were the usual propaganda stuff, but seeing this, it might be (or at least partly) true
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Well at least we can confirm that Ukrainian long range air defenses are no longer effective.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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Semantics don't matter, it will be Russia attacking Poland. If Russia uses tactical nuclear weapons, what's stopping NATO from using them on Russian forces?

You seem to think that only NATO is afraid of nuclear warfare. I live in Russia, do you think we are ready to die in nuclear fire over fucking American bases in Poland?
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NATO hasn't got nuclear weapons.

UK,France,USA has.
NOT the NATO will attack the Russian soil with nuclear weapons, but one of the three nuclear weapons state.

Means they could expect retaliation if for any reason attack Russian soil due to an attack of non UK/France/USA soil.

Would worth the annihilation of Paris to get revenge for Poland?
 
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Dolcevita

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xypher said:
You should rewatch the Putin speech without Western MSMs twisting the narrative. He said that if NATO enters the war to help Ukraine and Russia starts losing territories, then he is going to consider nukes.
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Perhaps so. Today it is Ukraine. But who knows what tomorrow brings if Poland decides to host nuclear weapons pointed towards Moscow. Regardless, your suggestion that Putin does not dare to use nuclear weapons and this is not the case.
 
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lube

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xypher said:
You should rewatch the Putin speech without Western MSMs twisting the narrative. He said that if NATO enters the war to help Ukraine and Russia starts losing territories, then he is going to consider nukes.
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Just posturing. No-one actually considering nukes unless NATO tanks roll into Russia but the nuke threshold might be lowered if NATO counterattacks and tries to kick Russia out of Ukraine.
The signaling suggests no-one wants to play that game.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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Today marks a huge strategic change.

I still try to grasp the effect of it, but could result the colapse of the industry and electrical grid in Europe due to sanctions , either by the EU or by Russia, reconsideration of the current security architecture of Europe, and generally the relationship with the USA.

In the past 12 hours the military alliance with the USA become a liability from being an asset.
 
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xypher

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Anlsvrthng said:
NATO hasn't got nuclear weapons.

UK,France,USA has.
NOT the NATO will attack the Russian soil with nuclear weapons, but one of the three nuclear weapons state.

Means they could expect retaliation if for any reason attack Russian soil due to an attack of non UK/France/USA soil.

Would worth the annihilation of Paris to get revenge for Poland?
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UK, France and the US are NATO. Countries like Germany host US nuclear weapons. If Russia uses nuclear weapons against the NATO forces, which would include troops from the US among others (stationed in Poland), then they can reply in turn.

Is it worth the annihilation of Moscow to attack Poland?
 
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Overbom

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Anlsvrthng said:
Today marks a huge strategic change.

I still try to grasp the effect of it, but could result the colapse of the industry and electrical grid in Europe due to sanctions , either by the EU or by Russia, reconsideration of the current security architecture of Europe, and generally the relationship with the USA.

In the past 12 hours the military alliance with the USA become a liability from being an asset.
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China will be a winner once again. Time for the Chinese industry to dislodge German industry from the world market. And then later on, China will sweep in and get Russian assets for pennies.

Once again, the best strategy is to not get involved in wars or alliances
 
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