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Nobaru said:
Not possibility, they will do it. And China should retaliate by officially recognizing native America. An independent strong kingdom of Hawaii would be a great tourist destination.
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yongpengsuen said:
If heavily armed and backed by Russia then yes Argentina can take back Falklands the way China took back Hong Kong from Britain.
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Only in fantasyland it may be , but in reality any ship used to attack the malvines is going to be sunk by either british or EE.UU. submarines also no argentinian with at least two brain cells want those rocks. Chucha al menos informate de lo que hablas marico solo pasas como menso viendo telesur , mamon.
 
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pmc said:
i didnot said they not beneficial. i only said they are not important enough that prevent Russia for creating problems for EU that will ultimately undermine Europe and Euro.
This statement was made early 2013. i am sure there is scientific calculation behind it.
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Okey, so you're basically taking it from the perspective of "economic security" (I am not sure if this is correct term). Basically, you are observing from a perspective of comparing the economic damage on both side as the aftermath of a drastic worsening of relations.

Sure, that does make sense for a very war-like way of thinking, befitting of "战斗民族".

I was taking it more from the perspectives of developmental potentials.

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i agree with this point. but Russians may prioritize manpower in building and upgrading Tu-160M2 or so many other special mission aircrafts and drones. that they thing selling passenger airliness are secondary priority for global markets. It all about the best utilization of labor to put most effective pressure on others.
they built very advanced version for open skies project so advanced that the whole treaty went away now this plane is repurposed for other surveillance roles. the point there is design provisions already to repurpose it. A country with weak engineering skills that depends on others cannot manage it.
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Frankly Japan does not have much chance to be independent as its technological base is in narrrow fields and they are certainly not known for software. than you add declining population means not much surplus manpower to train for really complex battlefield.
Japan is also culturally isolated from large part of world.
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Well, there is no doubt that Russia is a Great Power country that is certainly above the level of the likes of Japan, France, Germany, UK alone, certainly on par with EU, US, China, etc., in terms of overall power and capabilities as a country. Nobody doubted it. And the aviation industry, as a whole, is the one of major pillars of Russian power.

I use the examples of France (Airbus) and Japan (semiconductor), not to mean that Russia is at their level. Not at all, Russia is definitely a level above them. What I was trying to say was that Boeing and Airbus purchasing components, parts and design works from Russian aerospace industry should not be an indication as the "strength" of Russian Aviation. Because these kind of trophies are below the level of Russia: countries like Japan and France can boast about their industry provided parts for Boeing and Airbus, Russia doing so would be out of place. This is because, just like you said, Japan and France are small countries with pretty narrow fields of technological expertise, they are component providers of one or two cutting edge areas of industry at most.

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they will come back to produce more civilian plane as they have the engineering talent .they already investing in aviation in fundamental way. complete engines all the way to titanium valley and composites.
other examples are not really relevant. France is emotionally attached to Airbus despite it has no control how many it can produce and to whom it can sell. when i say emotionally attached it means the decision is not based on sound logic. . same thing happened to Sweden due to its aerospace now we have Chinese Volvo. Dutch had foresight to get rid of Fokker. i think most of weakness in countries manufacturing is when they over invest in Aerospace and let every thing else fall apart.
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Russian aviation should be the competitors of Boeing and Airbus. And to be honest, I sincerely hope to see that good future you are pointing at, for Russian aviation.

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so far there is no proof that CAS aircraft utility is decreasing. infact they are the only one that sustain multiple sorties per day. i think Su-25SM3 are simple and not too tall like Flankers. much easy to prepare for sortie.
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Okey, that's good know. By the way, what are some of the main advanced munitions used by Su-25SM3. I checked Wikipedia quickly, and it lists on there mostly old soviet era missiles, rockets and FAB's. Are they getting any new cool munitions? Care to tell us more about it?
 
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Ok guys ... this thread is too long, too politically to read for my taste and I'm sure I missed a few, but that does not mean you can continue with these political off-topic stories. As such take this as a warning: re-arming Argentina to offend the UK, the War on the Malvinas/Falkland Island and endless debated on Hong Kong's status are off topic!

So stop this!
 
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