Ukrainian War Developments

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Coalescence said:
However even after achieving this, it won't stop what's left of Ukraine to become incredibly hostile and resentful towards Russia. Backed with weapons from NATO and US, terrorist attacks, bombing and border incursion will become a regular occurrence.

Russia will have to spend more of their military resources just to defend those states, with no way to settle for a long-lasting peace agreement between Ukraine. Eventually another war will just return later down the line, with possibly more involvement and escalation from both NATO and Russia.

Sadly, the only option I can think of for Russia to avoid this scenario is to do worse than what they have called out Ukraine for doing against Donbass, which is constantly shelling Ukraine's infrastructure and industries, until its no more.

Just thinking about this makes me depressed about the state of the world. Why does it have to be this way.
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When you have Ukrainians go to Poland for a better economic future you know you fucked up in Europe.
When you have the poles come to western Europe.

A landlocked deindustrialised Ukraine will be a no mans land a Greece 2.0 but then completely harvested for the next half century to payback all those war debts. I don't think western countries will forgive Ukraine its debts, Ukrainian farmers will farm but the profits will go to New York, Amsterdam and London.
 
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FriedButter said:
I am saying that I think the pentagon was expecting them to use more weaponry deeper into urban areas. Plus the Russians never really tried to stormed the city. Even all these live videos only showed heavy bombardment on the outskirts but never any huge offensive moves deeper into Kiev.
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Russia would not have tried to storm the city because that would cause unacceptable casualties (as their probing efforts indicated), and would take far longer than that timeframe. They were not able to shell deeper into the city because their heavy artillery was out of range of the Kyiv city center. The Pentagon predictions, just like in Kabul, were plain wrong.
 
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yongpengsuen said:
Wrong. When it comes to fighting for land and women, invaders have just as much motivation as defenders. War is human nature. More specifically, war is the nature of men. Every day since the dawn of humanity there is war somewhere in the world.
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Sexist much? Wu Zetian, Dowager Cixi, Catherine the Great, and Queen Elizabeth 1 are immediate counterexamples to such bulls**t. War has been part of human nature since the era of the homo sapiens.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Ka-52 is king. PLAN already ordered 36 of them. I think PLA should negotiate a tech transfer for them as they'll be able to outfit PLAN marines and PLA ground forces.
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Wasn't that just a rumor though? There was no substantial evidence that indicated the PLAN was planning to acquire the KA-52.
 
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yongpengsuen said:
Wrong. When it comes to fighting for land and women, invaders have just as much motivation as defenders. War is human nature. More specifically, war is the nature of men. Every day since the dawn of humanity there is war somewhere in the world.
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Sounds sexist to me.

Contrary to your belief, wars are all about interests. It doesn't matter if you are a man, woman, alien or even a toddler. Whenever interests (food, resources, diplomatic, strategic etc) are involved, wars can be started by anyone
 
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Overbom said:
Sounds sexist to me.

Contrary to your belief, wars are all about interests. It doesn't matter if you are a man, woman, alien or even a toddler. Whenever interests (food, resources, diplomatic, strategic etc) are involved, wars can be started by anyone
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lol stop piling on the poor guy, when he said man he probably meant humanity...

interesting video about US military biolabs in Ukr, a lot of what he said needs verification but overall seems well researched to me

 
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My prediction is that the Ukrainians will be ousted from Donbass and the Russians will retain their landbridge. I am not sure whether there will be a negotiated settlement thereafter. There could be a length or indefinite stalemate. If Ukraine continues hostilities to try to recapture Russian occupied territory, Russia will undertake escalatory bombardments. Whatever the case, even if there is a negotiated settlement, there will long be resentment between Russia and Ukraine, and Russia and the West for decades to come.
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at this point russia will have to get much more than a land-bridge to not look like they have lost the war.

once the donbass salient is cutoff and destroyed, putin will have to decide how far north he can go from there. maybe to kharkov? also depends on how quickly ukraine can form a second line of defence.
 
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drowingfish said:
at this point russia will have to get much more than a land-bridge to not look like they have lost the war.

once the donbass salient is cutoff and destroyed, putin will have to decide how far north he can go from there. maybe to kharkov? also depends on how quickly ukraine can form a second line of defence.
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They need to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea
 
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