Ukrainian War Developments

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enroger

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I wonder if maybe the Ukrainian sense that the forces surrounding Kyiv are just second line troops meant to pin them in the city so Ukr forces are emboldened to conduct limited counter attack?

I'm guessing if Russian has heavy fire power/air power supporting the Kyiv surrounding forces then it would be suicidal for Ukr to meet them head on in the fields
 

ansy1968

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Yes, you cannot answer the question: "How is NATO culpable for Ukrainian warcrimes against Russian POWs", which is really bizarre.

Because you weren't part of the original conversation and interject in middle of conversation with no meaningful answer to the original discussion.

This is irrelevant to the merits of the argument on how NATO is responsible for Ukrainian warcrimes against POWs.

And why should I listen to you? If you cannot argument the merits of case and interrupt in middle of conversation , then you need to STFU

This is Sinodefenceforum, not Russiadefenceforum, I don't have to blindly say NATO is responsible for Ukrainian warcrimes because that's illogical bullshit.
@Phead128 Bro an advise, empty your tea cup to refill it with a fresh one, you ask a question and our esteem member answered, please drink the fresh tea and digest its meaning then you will have the answer you seek. :)
 

Phead128

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Because how can your population support a country if said population believes that country is morally wrong?
And how can a country hold a tenable political position if it's inhabitants also see nothing relatively wrong with the opposing side?

I'm not sure if it was you or another poster, but in one of the earlier recurring "China soft power" debates the questions of "China's friends" can be directly answered with this - build and hold your narrative, and use it to attract proponents to your side.
If you cannot answer why NATO is responsible for Ukrainian warcrimes against POWs, then fine. Just don't try to shame me to stop questioning Russophile propaganda.
 

Botnet

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I wonder if maybe the Ukrainian sense that the forces surrounding Kyiv are just second line troops meant to pin them in the city so Ukr forces are emboldened to conduct limited counter attack?

I'm guessing if Russian has heavy fire power/air power supporting the Kyiv surrounding forces then it would be suicidal for Ukr to meet them head on in the fields
Russia is now entrenching so the Ukrainians are able to conduct limited company and battalion sized attacks, it might give them some gradual progress.

I'm interested to see if the Russians are pulling troops out from the Kyiv front to the East or South though.
 

Phead128

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@Phead128 Bro an advise, empty your tea cup to refill it with a fresh one, you ask a question and our esteem member answered, please drink the fresh tea and digest its meaning then you will have the answer you seek. :)
I wonder why @PhSt interject in middle of conversation, saying my point is irrelevant, then demand me to support Russia. Wtf, this is Sinodefenceforum, not Russiadefenceforum. I don't have to blindly support Russia because Russophiles can't defend their logic and reasoning. I do this also to American bullshit, so none of this loyalty test bullshit.
 

ansy1968

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I wonder why @PhSt interject in middle of conversation, saying my point is irrelevant, then demand me to support Russia. Wtf, this is Sinodefenceforum, not Russiadefenceforum. I don't have to blindly support Russia because Russophiles can't defend their logic and reasoning. I do this also to American bullshit, so none of this loyalty test bullshit.
@Phead128 bro calm down, you had express your view and others as well, we came here to discuss issue and learned. You had express your opinion and we may agree to disagree that is the whole point of having a forum, so move on bro let's wait for this war to settled before we make a final judgement.
 

Phead128

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@Phead128 bro calm down, you had express your view and others as well, we came here to discuss issue and learned. You had express your opinion and we may agree to disagree that is the whole point of having a forum, so move on bro let's wait for this war to settled before we make a final judgement.
Bro, he literally trying to shame me to blindly support Russia, regardless of logic or reason. Essentially, trying to say: " If you are not anti-NATO, then are you anti-China".... But I am anti-US as often as I am anti-Russia propaganda, still not advocating for splitting China-Russia, just calling out illogical assertions, like how is NATO responsible for Ukrainian warcrimes. And somehow I am anti-China for saying this? No way.
 

MortyandRick

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I wonder if maybe the Ukrainian sense that the forces surrounding Kyiv are just second line troops meant to pin them in the city so Ukr forces are emboldened to conduct limited counter attack?

I'm guessing if Russian has heavy fire power/air power supporting the Kyiv surrounding forces then it would be suicidal for Ukr to meet them head on in the fields
it Is also Hard to know because this Twitter analysis takes mostly from Ukrainian reports and down plays Russian MOD reports. I don’t even know if they recaptured the said cities in their counter offensive or not. based on the history of Ukrainian reports, I have doubts and would wait for further clarification. Apparently recently some of the cities that they said were recaptured were still under contest when western media teams visited. And there were other examples as well of overhyping their achievements. We won’t know until the end.
 
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