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That all sounds real good!
But, would Imperial Japan have allowed that 40km convoy to remain intact?
Make it clear what you believe that their o overall military strategic objective should be, please. Is it to just take the Donbass Region and the Sea of Azov Coast and surround troops in these regions that retreat to cities without actually taking any of them?
Do you believe that they should not have made any deep throat towards Kiev?
I am pointing out the mistakes and their hubris, and you are saying that I minimizing their incompetence. SMH... I have not even disagreed or commented with your take on their overall strategy, aside from stating that there are number of cities that must be taken.
If you have seen my previous posts, I have stated myself that Kharkov and Kiev need not be taken and doing so would be extremely costly...
Ok, so if the Ukrainian army is exposed and in a bad strategic position, then why are the Russians wasting any ordnance, at all, on civilian targets in cities?
Another commentator and I have been waiting for the Tu-22M3s to come in and carpet-bomb these “exposed“ positions. Wouldn’t this be the most effective method at their disposal to clear their paths to whatever their ultimate geographic objectives are?
From an earlier post:
I’m convinced that the Russians have no clue as to what they’re doing, now! Attacking cities when military commands, networks, installations, bases, and formations should have been the primary objectives, with individual units having (possessing) [edit] mission threatening capabilities, such as dispersed anti-air batteries being secondary. Whichever units holed-up in the cities could have been dealt with after the threats in the field were neutralized.
Ukrainian War Developments
any evidence those are actual Russian helicopters and not captured Ukrainian ones? Russian helicopters and Ukrainian ones could be very different owing to recent modernizations. They were moved from the other side of the base due to the Ukraininans malleting them previously
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This isn’t 20th century warfare anymore, in which gaining territory is a fundamental means of gaining victory, or even advantage.
And, what’s this about a “deep throat” towards Kiev? Who’s fellating who?
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Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the DPR's Vostok Battalion: "Here's a piece of real war... We lost these guys, launched a 'bird' and found them in a crater, where they were sheltering from heavy fire. They waved at us and we pulled them out at night."
As the Ukrainian army has fortified itself into those civilian areas, you have the answer to both those points.
This is a civil population that the Russians do not regard as hostile and in fact regards as kinsman. They came in with the stated aim of liberation, which would be hard to reconcile to acts of mass urban carpet bombing.
We are seeing strikes against weapons, ammunition and fuel dumps, plus of course C&C to degrade the combat ability of these Ukrainian forces as quickly as possible.
Mariupol is of course an obvious exception for equally obvious reasons.
This Russian expeditionary force is quite small considering the job it has undertaken. Less than 200,000 in total. They certainly have more men and equipment to call on if required and this would not degrade other frontiers defensive capabilities.
Why are the Ukrainian forces not leaving the cities? Do you remember the 2014/5 war in the Donbas? Do you remember the Ukrainian division that was tasked with sealing off the rebel areas from the Russian border? That force was obliterated as an effective combat unit, one night, out in the open, when the Russians fired smart anti armour munitions from its MLRS systems.
It was footage of this that made most of us here realise that a Ukrainian victory was very far from guaranteed (which is how it had been looking before hand).
I would say that three weeks in, the Russian commanders are not going to be overly disappointed with what they see.
Russia fires hypersonic missiles in Ukraine
Moscow has deployed Kinzhal missiles for the first time since the start of its military operation
The Russian military has said it used its state-of-the-art Kinzhal hypersonic missiles to destroy an arms depot near the city of Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine.
The strike with the air-launched missile system took place on Friday, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said during a briefing.
It targeted “a large underground depot of missiles and aerial munitions of the Ukrainian forces” in the village of Deliatyn, he added.
Kinzhal, which means ‘dagger’ in English, was used by the Russian military for the first time since the start of the Ukrainian conflict on February 24.
Those munitions are said to be able to penetrate any existing air defenses by traveling at a whopping speed of up to Mach 10 and constantly maneuvering during their flight
Kinzhal missiles are carried by MiG-31K supersonic interceptor aircraft, which NATO calls ‘Foxhound’.
The hardware is one of several hypersonic systems prepared for the country’s military in recent years, together with the Avangard glider, which is fitted on silo-based ICBMs, and Zircon (Tsirkon) missiles, developed for the navy.
Moscow sent its troops into Ukraine last month following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the breakaway Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.
Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force.
How can they be exposed if they’re fortified in civilian areas? I didn’t advocate carpet-bombing cities (I don’t think the Russian should be in the cities, at all) I was referring to the “exposed” armies that you, yourself represented. I might have been up all night, but I can still read and remember, now.
So are you saying that the Ukrainian armies are exposed while fortified in the cities, or are you using “exposed“ in a figurative sense?
And, btw, three-weeks-in, Putout ain’t happy, at all!
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