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Maikeru

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American military expert explains ‘slow’ Russian advance in Ukraine

By RT - 16 March 2022

PROPAGANDA IN THE WEST has created false expectations of Ukrainian success, retired US officer says

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Western military equipment captured by Russian troops during the military operation in Ukraine, near the village of
Huta-Mezhyhirska, north of Kiev. © Sputnik / Russian Defence Ministry


Russia has largely achieved its objective of neutralizing the Ukrainian military, but Western governments mistakenly believe the deliberate progress designed to avoid civilian casualties reflects weakness and are funneling weapons to prolong the fighting, a former top Pentagon adviser has said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has given strict orders from the outset to avoid civilian casualties and extensive property damage, retired US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor told the Grayzone in an extensive interview on Tuesday.

This has slowed the Russians’ advance “to the point where it has given false hope both to the Ukrainians … but seized on by people in the West, to try and convince the world that a defeat is in progress, when in fact the opposite is the case,” Macgregor said.

“The war, for all intents and purposes, has been decided,”
the retired colonel said. “The entire operation from day one was focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces. That’s largely complete.”

The Ukrainian units still active “are completely surrounded, cut off and isolated in various towns and cities,” said Macgregor, including as many as 60,000 on the border with Donetsk, whose supplies are likely running out by now.

Media coverage of the fighting, however, ignores this reality and paints a picture of the Russian military being “inept” – in the words of some US senators – because it didn’t defeat Kiev in mere days. This is then used as an argument by advocates of NATO intervention and a “no-fly zone,” but also those who wish to send more weapons to Kiev.

America vs. Putin — to the Last Ukrainian -- By Matt Bivens, M.D. 2022.03.16

Maybe the United States really will find ourselves going to war with Russia. It’s day 20 of the Russian invasion, and some of our top minds in Washington are already convinced combat with Russia would be a cake walk.
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“It’s very obvious Washington wants this to continue as long as possible, in hopes Russia would be desperately harmed. I just don’t see that happening,” Macgregor told Grayzone on Tuesday.

The biggest problem right now is that “in the West, there is no truth.
There is wishful thinking and there is this impression of success by the Ukrainians that doesn’t stack up,” the colonel added. “The biggest lie I’ve heard repeated on television is, Russian troops have been told to deliberately murder Ukrainian civilians. That’s absurd, it’s nonsense.”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked the US Congress on Wednesday to send fighter jets, air defense missiles and other weapons to Kiev, as well as establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine, so his army could defeat Russia. He made the same argument to Canadian lawmakers on Tuesday.

Macgregor, however, believes that such shipments will have no effect and that Zelensky’s refusal to negotiate an armistice is only going to get more Ukrainians killed.

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FULL Segment of the extensive interview with Colonel Douglas Macgregor at ‘The Grayzone’ (2 hours plus)



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Col Macgregor on the Grayzone 15MAR22 "The War for intensive purposes has been decided"

You're quoting Russia Today? And the more rabid posters here accuse ME of bias??
 

ZeEa5KPul

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China's knife must be sharp enough by now. Time to shove it into Putin's back:

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Let me explain this to you since the chances of you figuring it out for yourself are about the same as Ukraine's chances of taking Moscow. This blather from the Chinese ambassador is just the deception necessary for the gaslighting to work. The essence of Chinese diplomacy is to paralyze its opponents by indecision, to always give them the false hope that one more round of negotiations will get China to do what they want. So America is just led down the garden path of more "diplomacy" that goes nowhere.

In a funny sort of way, Trump was immune to this because he's too stupid to understand the intricacies of diplomacy. But even he was led down the garden path eventually with the "Phase I" trade deal. Look how that turned out.

In conclusion, Xi isn't stabbing Putin in the back. He's stabbing you.
 

james smith esq

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American military expert explains ‘slow’ Russian advance in Ukraine

By RT - 16 March 2022

PROPAGANDA IN THE WEST has created false expectations of Ukrainian success, retired US officer says

View attachment 85363
Western military equipment captured by Russian troops during the military operation in Ukraine, near the village of
Huta-Mezhyhirska, north of Kiev. © Sputnik / Russian Defence Ministry


Russia has largely achieved its objective of neutralizing the Ukrainian military, but Western governments mistakenly believe the deliberate progress designed to avoid civilian casualties reflects weakness and are funneling weapons to prolong the fighting, a former top Pentagon adviser has said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has given strict orders from the outset to avoid civilian casualties and extensive property damage, retired US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor told the Grayzone in an extensive interview on Tuesday.

This has slowed the Russians’ advance “to the point where it has given false hope both to the Ukrainians … but seized on by people in the West, to try and convince the world that a defeat is in progress, when in fact the opposite is the case,” Macgregor said.

“The war, for all intents and purposes, has been decided,”
the retired colonel said. “The entire operation from day one was focused on the destruction of Ukrainian forces. That’s largely complete.”

The Ukrainian units still active “are completely surrounded, cut off and isolated in various towns and cities,” said Macgregor, including as many as 60,000 on the border with Donetsk, whose supplies are likely running out by now.

Media coverage of the fighting, however, ignores this reality and paints a picture of the Russian military being “inept” – in the words of some US senators – because it didn’t defeat Kiev in mere days. This is then used as an argument by advocates of NATO intervention and a “no-fly zone,” but also those who wish to send more weapons to Kiev.

America vs. Putin — to the Last Ukrainian -- By Matt Bivens, M.D. 2022.03.16

Maybe the United States really will find ourselves going to war with Russia. It’s day 20 of the Russian invasion, and some of our top minds in Washington are already convinced combat with Russia would be a cake walk.
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“It’s very obvious Washington wants this to continue as long as possible, in hopes Russia would be desperately harmed. I just don’t see that happening,” Macgregor told Grayzone on Tuesday.

The biggest problem right now is that “in the West, there is no truth.
There is wishful thinking and there is this impression of success by the Ukrainians that doesn’t stack up,” the colonel added. “The biggest lie I’ve heard repeated on television is, Russian troops have been told to deliberately murder Ukrainian civilians. That’s absurd, it’s nonsense.”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked the US Congress on Wednesday to send fighter jets, air defense missiles and other weapons to Kiev, as well as establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine, so his army could defeat Russia. He made the same argument to Canadian lawmakers on Tuesday.

Macgregor, however, believes that such shipments will have no effect and that Zelensky’s refusal to negotiate an armistice is only going to get more Ukrainians killed.

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VIDEO

FULL Segment of the extensive interview with Colonel Douglas Macgregor at ‘The Grayzone’ (2 hours plus)



SHORT Segment from ‘Col Douglas Macgregor Clips’ (8min)
Col Macgregor on the Grayzone 15MAR22 "The War for intensive purposes has been decided"

This dude is senile! The phrase is “for all intents and purposes”; where the hell did he come-up with “intensive purposes, Alzheimer’s land?

Oh, l see, now that it was some idiot posting the video that used the idiotic Alzheimer‘slandic phrase!
 

Maikeru

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Let me explain this to you since the chances of you figuring it out for yourself are about the same as Ukraine's chances of taking Moscow. This blather from the Chinese ambassador is just the deception necessary for the gaslighting to work. The essence of Chinese diplomacy is to paralyze its opponents by indecision, to always give them the false hope that one more round of negotiations will get China to do what they want. So America is just led down the garden path of more "diplomacy."

In a funny sort of way, Trump was immune to this because he's too stupid to understand the intricacies of diplomacy. But even he was led down the garden path eventually with the "Phase I" trade deal. Look how that turned out.

In conclusion, Xi isn't stabbing Putin in the back. He's stabbing you.
Ah, so very cunning! Make the Russians think China is fooling the USA! They will believe this right up until China takes control of their entire oil and gas industry. And Vladivostok. And screws them over in Ukraine. And signs a big trade deal with USA. Gaslighting indeed!
 

james smith esq

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Let me explain this to you since the chances of you figuring it out for yourself are about the same as Ukraine's chances of taking Moscow. This blather from the Chinese ambassador is just the deception necessary for the gaslighting to work. The essence of Chinese diplomacy is to paralyze its opponents by indecision, to always give them the false hope that one more round of negotiations will get China to do what they want. So America is just led down the garden path of more "diplomacy" that goes nowhere.

In a funny sort of way, Trump was immune to this because he's too stupid to understand the intricacies of diplomacy. But even he was led down the garden path eventually with the "Phase I" trade deal. Look how that turned out.

In conclusion, Xi isn't stabbing Putin in the back. He's stabbing you.
Wait, Ukraine doesn’t have Moscow surrounded?
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Ah, so very cunning! Make the Russians think China is fooling the USA! They will believe this right up until China takes control of their entire oil and gas industry. And Vladivostok. And screws them over in Ukraine. And signs a big trade deal with USA. Gaslighting indeed!
China is gaslighting everybody. It surprises me how few people understand that. China is not going to take control of the Russian oil and gas industry - that's just going to fall in China's lap. It's going to fall in China's lap simply through China's alliance with Russia; while others quit, China will stand by its friend.

Don't mistake the cunning of Chinese diplomacy with Hollywood-esque double crosses. What China does is far more profound - it cultivates its external environment and allows nature to take its course. It just so happens that nature taking its course somehow always seems to serve China's interest in some way. Funny how that works out.
 

Maikeru

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Isn't showing both sides of the story a way to reduce bias? Or is twitter & msm the one true god to you now?
It is! And I try to show things to counter the rabidly pro-Russia bias on here (God knows why, Russia and China have a long history of emnity) but am pilloried for being biased! I don't recall ever posting Ukrainian national tv here but apparent posting RT is OK? BS...
 

Insignius

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Ukrops and their supporters sure are desperate for picking up the nonsense diplomatic talk of a resident Chinese ambassador, who knows that he can be murdered anytime by Azov and his wife raped to death by Neo-Nazis, for any official sign of China breaking with Russia.

You should rather be happy that you wont face CH-901s and HJ-12s in response to more US weapon deliveries to the Neo-Nazis. Because that's a very real prospect.
 
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