Ukrainian War Developments

Insignius said:

Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Too much historical and ideologic baggage to play all sides and stay non-committed to anyone as China usually tries to do.

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There are some countries were trying to deal with them and the benefit they might bring, isn't really worth the hassle. The baltics are a few of these countries.

Their economy is rather small thus with limited potential, most of their industries that wasn't left by the Soviets just revolves around license building stuff by others but cheaper compared to other parts of europe, so they don't offer anything you can't find anywhere else other than more Waffen SS memorials per capita

It's probably better to just wait until the writing is on the wall for the end of the US as an hegemon that the Baltics will chill the f* out to deal with them.

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Abominable said:

Being anti-Russia is one thing and I get it, they were occupied by Russia.

But why use this into a chance to attack China? It's like they are looking for brownie points from America.

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Because they do not want to see any country propping up Russia...

sferrin said:

Kinda thick, aren't you?

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Nobody's thick compared to a guy who thinks that America doesn't invade/annex neighbors and that it's a live and let live country.

sferrin said:

So you think those who won't back down from a tyrant are a bigger threat than the tyrant himself? That explains a lot.

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No, I think the American tyrant is the biggest threat to world peace and progress and those who don't back down to it are the world's heros.

sferrin said:

"I want to kill my neighbor and if you try to help them I'll nuke you!" Okay, maybe "childish psychotic" would be more accurate. Apologies for giving him the benefit of a doubt.

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That's what nukes are for and I'm sure that even you are not under the delusion that if America were attacked for invading the middle-east, that it would, under any moral grounds, hesitate to use whatever force needed to fight them including with nuclear weapons if the foes was dangerous enough. What does America do when it finds shipments of weapons going to its enemies that can kill its own invading soldiers? Does it allow the shipments to pass? Does it allow the transporters to pass freely?

I'm always amazed at how you never see the flip side of any of your arguments, how easy it is to counter every point that you try to make... and then you call other people thick LOL

When it comes to foreign policy, no more than one-third of American public opinion reflects the genuine instincts of the masses. At least two thirds reflects the media coverage, since most Americans no little to nothing about distant lands and their sole source of information is their own mainstream media. This is not their own fault; most people have busy lives and rightfully prioritize their own jobs and families over international politics.

These polls reflect little more than the opinions of elites who control the media coverage here.

Some high res images from the Ukranian strike on the Russia occupied airbase in Kherson. More than a dozen helicopters were destroyed (15 by one count), together with the airfield's fuel dumps. A considerable blow.

I wonder how much of the counted dozens of choppers are actually ukrainian junk left in the field.

Abominable said:

I'm not surprised that number is that high. We've had more than one generation who've grown up without the concept of nuclear war. Organisations like the CND are virually dead.

I think one long term outcome of this will be the return of civilian nuclear preparedness programmes. When people in the west have to go through nuclear drills, learn about where their nearest shelter is and so on, they won't be quite so keen for the nuclear warmongering.

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They couldn't even handle masking and social distancing you expect the west to be disciplined enough to take a nuclear attack serieus.

sheogorath said:

There are some countries were trying to deal with them and the benefit they might bring, isn't really worth the hassle. The baltics are a few of these countries.

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Poland didn't think so for Lithuania and the Nordic Countries didn't think so for Estonia and Latvia.
Deep historical and cultural ties and nowadays political, military and economical ones too.
Main reason they were all fast tracked into both EU and NATO.
Not some U.S shenanigans.

sheogorath said:

Their economy is rather small thus with limited potential, most of their industries that wasn't left by the Soviets just revolves around license building stuff by others but cheaper compared to other parts of europe, so they don't offer anything you can't find anywhere else other than more Waffen SS memorials per capita

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The baltic states are all doing mighty fine economically despite their "limited potential" - far better than most of the former Soviet Union, even Mother Russia herself - so they must be doing something right, no?

sheogorath said:

It's probably better to just wait until the writing is on the wall for the end of the US as an hegemon that the Baltics will chill the f* out to deal with ththem.

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Which explains their hardline pro-NATO and anti-Russia stance fairly well, doesn't it.
Alone they know exactly what could and probably would happen someday.

Temstar said:

Is that the guy who's keeping count of Russian vehicle loses?

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Yes. Shows how objective he is.