Ukraine Revolt/Civil War News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Miragedriver
Brigadier
An interesting file made in USA back in 1943 that explains much of the tension between Russia and Ukraine
Bismarck once said: ”….. that there was only one operation lethal for the great body of the Russian Empire, an amputation of Ukraine…”
Back to bottling my Grenache
Bismarck once said: ”….. that there was only one operation lethal for the great body of the Russian Empire, an amputation of Ukraine…”
Back to bottling my Grenache
Since reporting function is not available at my membership level, I have to say thank you for confirming my view that I can't really expect any intelligent posts from you on the subject matter of Ukrainian crisis. Respond or not I am unconcerned either way.
Jura The idiot
General
after a break, caused by an outrageous post I reported, I visited this thread ... this caught my attention, I wondered how according to a Dutch mainstream medium Ukrainian forces could have "occupied" the territory of Ukraine ... so I tried to locate the source, which seems to be
and since the article is short, I google-translated it, was looking for an "occupation", and guess what? no luck! the Mariupol related part says
original:
is there anything wrong with the source I translated? the translation itself? or "occupation" reported by the poster? delft?
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solarz
Brigadier
You're making much ado about nothing. The term "occupied" used here denotes a military presence, nothing more.
Jura The idiot
General
oh, I'm not even sure whether I google-translated the correct article or, since I don't know the Dutch language, if something was lost in translation (I'm fluent in four languages plus I speak broken Italian
so I know it can easily happen), but as I practically don't follow Western European mass media, I'm curious what's their attitude toward the Ukrainian/Separatists forces at the time when the new round of Minsk truce talks is ongoing (actually I just noticed it had already finished for today: ), that's why I asked in which sense a Dutch mainstream used "occupy" to describe the Ukrainian military activity on the territory of Ukraine
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Quite correct. I wrote some time after reading the news and interpreted just like Solarz said.
did you bother to read the previous post I had where it stated Germany had its greatest all time trade surplus and export after these sanctions were imposed?
News from the front.
Latest from Debaltsevo: Cauldron Holds as Azov Battalion Launches Offensive near Mariupol
The from Colonel Cassad:
The village of Logvinovo that was captured on the morning of February 9th has been held by the NAF forces. The attempts to recapture the settlement and to restore the supply route for the encircled group on the M-103 road have failed and therefore February 9th has become the first day of the existence of a truncated version of the Debalcevo cauldron. Fighting in the area of Logvinovo attained a "positional nature" with the active use of artillery according to the junta. The failure of unblocking actions will lead to a further increase in the density of the emergent lid of the cauldron. In essence the Debalcevo group was split in two, due to which more than 5 thousand people ended up being encircled, among them there are about 1-1.5 thousand of rear service personnel who couldn't evacuate from the cauldron early enough. Currently our command is deploying reinforcements and performs measures on mitigating possible offensive actions by the enemy with the goal of unblocking the encircled group. If the Debalcevo cauldron is to be liquidated, then holding the positions in the area of Svetlodarsk will become quite expensive for the junta. Furthermore, the threat of encircling the second part of the Debalcevo group to the north of Svetlodarsk also cannot be ruled out. The main problem of the junta is rapid exhaustion of resources in the encircled group — in two days of intensive military action serious problems with fuel, lubricants, and heavy weapon ammunition will start. Already yesterday the enemy has retreated by 4 km in the area of Chernukhino and further implosion of the pocket is imminent. Chernukhino itself according to the announcements from the sides has also transferred under the NAF control. The enemy currently accumulates armor in the bottleneck near Svetlodarsk for a more serious attempt to beat a corridor to Debalcevo. In the coming 1-2 days a powerful strike may be expected towards Logvinovo from the side of Svetlodarsk. An attempt to break out from inside the encirclement cannot be ruled out either.
A from TASS seems to confirm that the cauldron is still in place.
Meanwhile the infamous Azov battalion , the outcome of which is still not clear. Here's how Cassad describes the Ukrainian offensive:
On the Mariupol front the enemy today launched an offensive on the front from Shirokino to Granitnoye, occupying several settlements in the neutral strip (for now they are only showing a photo from Pavlopol), and also one of the NAF checkpoints. The motivation here is quite transparent: to improve the front line before Minsk and to at least somehow improve the situation of the junta forces on the front under Debalcevo (however, the strikes in the area of Yelenovka and Gorlovka would be more logical). Among the announced goals of this offensive there are Shirokino, Sakhanka, and Oktyabr.
Donetsk and Gorlovka, and also a whole number of frontline cities were subjected to a large-scale artillery shelling of a terrorist nature.
Both sides seem desperate for a decisive (and favorable) outcome that they can use for peace-bargaining. And at the moment it looks like the rebels have the upper had.
UPDATE: Here's describes the Ukrainian offensive:
The Ukrainian national guard has launched an offensive against pro-Russian separatists near the southeastern port city of Mariupol, Ukraine's security council said in an online statement on Tuesday.
The secretary to the National Security and Defense Council, Oleksander Turchynov, "is near Mariupol, where units of the national guard broke through enemy defenses and went on the offensive," the statement said.
Latest from Debaltsevo: Cauldron Holds as Azov Battalion Launches Offensive near Mariupol
- Ukrainian attempts to restore the supply route for the encircled group on the M-103 road have failed. The Cauldron remains
- Azov Battalion has launched an offensive near Mariupol
The from Colonel Cassad:
The village of Logvinovo that was captured on the morning of February 9th has been held by the NAF forces. The attempts to recapture the settlement and to restore the supply route for the encircled group on the M-103 road have failed and therefore February 9th has become the first day of the existence of a truncated version of the Debalcevo cauldron. Fighting in the area of Logvinovo attained a "positional nature" with the active use of artillery according to the junta. The failure of unblocking actions will lead to a further increase in the density of the emergent lid of the cauldron. In essence the Debalcevo group was split in two, due to which more than 5 thousand people ended up being encircled, among them there are about 1-1.5 thousand of rear service personnel who couldn't evacuate from the cauldron early enough. Currently our command is deploying reinforcements and performs measures on mitigating possible offensive actions by the enemy with the goal of unblocking the encircled group. If the Debalcevo cauldron is to be liquidated, then holding the positions in the area of Svetlodarsk will become quite expensive for the junta. Furthermore, the threat of encircling the second part of the Debalcevo group to the north of Svetlodarsk also cannot be ruled out. The main problem of the junta is rapid exhaustion of resources in the encircled group — in two days of intensive military action serious problems with fuel, lubricants, and heavy weapon ammunition will start. Already yesterday the enemy has retreated by 4 km in the area of Chernukhino and further implosion of the pocket is imminent. Chernukhino itself according to the announcements from the sides has also transferred under the NAF control. The enemy currently accumulates armor in the bottleneck near Svetlodarsk for a more serious attempt to beat a corridor to Debalcevo. In the coming 1-2 days a powerful strike may be expected towards Logvinovo from the side of Svetlodarsk. An attempt to break out from inside the encirclement cannot be ruled out either.
A from TASS seems to confirm that the cauldron is still in place.
Meanwhile the infamous Azov battalion , the outcome of which is still not clear. Here's how Cassad describes the Ukrainian offensive:
On the Mariupol front the enemy today launched an offensive on the front from Shirokino to Granitnoye, occupying several settlements in the neutral strip (for now they are only showing a photo from Pavlopol), and also one of the NAF checkpoints. The motivation here is quite transparent: to improve the front line before Minsk and to at least somehow improve the situation of the junta forces on the front under Debalcevo (however, the strikes in the area of Yelenovka and Gorlovka would be more logical). Among the announced goals of this offensive there are Shirokino, Sakhanka, and Oktyabr.
Donetsk and Gorlovka, and also a whole number of frontline cities were subjected to a large-scale artillery shelling of a terrorist nature.
Both sides seem desperate for a decisive (and favorable) outcome that they can use for peace-bargaining. And at the moment it looks like the rebels have the upper had.
UPDATE: Here's describes the Ukrainian offensive:
The Ukrainian national guard has launched an offensive against pro-Russian separatists near the southeastern port city of Mariupol, Ukraine's security council said in an online statement on Tuesday.
The secretary to the National Security and Defense Council, Oleksander Turchynov, "is near Mariupol, where units of the national guard broke through enemy defenses and went on the offensive," the statement said.