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Janiz

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Assuming you are right, what about natural gas, something Germany also import in great quantity from Russia? Are you saying that shipping LNG with tankers is cheaper than pipeline?
lol, someone here already cut off Europe from Russian gas (not possible as Russia would be completely bankrupt after that).

lol, people in Europe doesn't care much about EU sanctions against Russia as those things does not affect them personally (of course there will be people who's work had something to do with Russian Federation but those numbers aren't big). I laugh every time when someone here posts stupid things like that.
 

Dannhill

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Update on the battlefield, but Kiev counter claimed that the road out has been unblocked.

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February 9, 2015
Translated by Kristina Rus
Good evening, dear viewers. You are watching a review of the map of hostilities for Monday, February 9th.
Lets begin with the main news of the passing day - the physical closure of the Deblatsevo cauldron.
Today in the morning the fighters of Gorlovka army group from the side of Lozovoe and Gorlovka Malaya launched an attack on Longvinovo.
As a result of fighting, Longvinovo was taken under the complete control of the militia.
Along with Longvinovo, NAF fighters took strategically important heights - height 231 and height 301.
To the south from the area of Uglegorsk, NAF fighters attempted a break through, as a result of which the fighters were able to liberate several localities, such as Groznoye, Alexandrovskoye, Krasny Pakhar.
At the bottom of the cauldron, according to unconfirmed information, NAF is trying to sweep Poltavskoye. In the area of Kurgan and Mogila Ostraya clashes continue.
Militia slowly but surely is moving towards the outskirts of Polevoe. In Chernukhino, militia is continuing the operation to squeeze out parts of UAF.
At this time UAF is controlling several streets and a height West of Chernukhino.
Debaltsevo is not devoid of NAF attention, a probing of enemy defenses is ongoing.
From East and North recon-subversive groups of the militia rather freely move through downtown Debaltsevo.
The stongest positions of UAF in Debaltsevo are located in the south.
Heavy clashes are going on in the area of Novogrigorovka. Here Novorossia fighters already broke the defenses of UAF and are carrying out an operation to squeeze out UAF from the town.
From Luganskoe armored-tank columns of UAF have moved towards Nizhnee Lozovoe and Logvinovo.
With all the wishes of the Ukrainian side, the cauldron will not be deblocked, since militia had an opportunity to dig in pretty well in the area of Longvinovo and Nizhnee Lozovoe, and plus the heights will allow Novorossia artillery to carry out a strong art support.
In the area of the bottleneck Ukrainian side has at least one heavy BTG [battalion tactical group] in reserve.
It is still unclear what UAF will do with this reserve.
If they will try to deblock the cauldron, the militia from Krasny Pakhar, and most likely from Gorlovka, will begin to close a second cauldron.
If the BTG will remain in the bottleneck and will hold defense, then for the militia controlling the cauldron will be able much easier and much sooner to "boil" the cauldron
We can make a conclusion that NAF has thought out this operation to the smallest details.
In North-Western part of Lugansk People's Republic the situation has not changed overall. The artillery of LPR is carrying out heavy fire on the UAF cluster near Novotashkovka and Trehizbenka.
In the aera of Schastye and Stanitsa Luganskaya the situation has not changed in a long time.
For now the conflicting parties resort to exchange of artillery on these stretches of the front.
Lugansk artillery is firing on UAF positions in Stanitsa Luganskaya and the sronghold in the area of Olkhovaya.
In North-West of Gorlovka clashes occur in the area of Mayorsk. Artemovo, as well as Mayorsk is controlled by both sides. There is no complete control by Ukraine, as shown on the map.
The populated districts of Gorlovka are still shelled by the Ukrainian artillery, but the intensity of fire has sharply reduced. Likely it is connected with successful contra-battery work of militia artillery.
The night was very tense in Yasinovataya, Makeevka and Donetsk.
Last night around 12 pm, Donetsk was lighted up by a massive explosion, which created a giant fiery mushroom. The strike was carried out on the Donetsk Chemical Factory. It is located in the area of a "Second Platform". The wave of the blast was felt by the residents of Makeevka. Investigation is ongoing to determine what type of weapon used by the Ukrainian side could cause an explosion of such intensity. According to preliminary data the suspicion is it was Tochka U or Luna M.
Starting from the early morning and until now Kievsky, Kirovsky, Petrovsky, Kuibyshevsky districts are under constant fire.
In Petrovsky district Petrovsky bridge has been destroyed.
Dokuchaevsk and Elenovka are still under massive artillery fire of UAF.
From the side of Novognatovka and Bogdanovka UAF tanks and recon-subverisve groups regularly terrorize the residents of Styla.
On Mariupol front it is pretty quiet. Militia is trying to liquidate dozens of Ukrainian checkpoints, and carrying out reconnaissance work.
This is all for now, thank you for your attention, until next time!
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Dannhill

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Ukraine to draft women to join in the fight.

Ukraine’s armed forces could call up female citizens of Ukraine aged between 20 and 50 to join the fight against pro-Russian separatists in the country’s eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, Vladislav Seleznev, spokesperson for the armed forces’ high command told Ukrainian news agency
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today.

The former Soviet republic has been hard pressed for resources to combat the Russian-backed separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk since fighting erupted in the regions between the newly formed pro-EU government and pro-Russian groups a year ago.

Ukrainian finance minister Natalya Yaresko estimated the war is costing Ukraine $10 million dollars a day,
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. European finance ministers agreed to loan Ukraine €1.5 billion in addition to the €15 billion loan programme agreed by the EU and Ukraine last March, as the Ministry of Finance has estimated that the war has shrunk the country’s economy by 20%

The former Soviet republic has been hard pressed for resources to combat the Russian-backed separatists in Donetsk and Luhansk since fighting erupted in the regions between the newly formed pro-EU government and pro-Russian groups a year ago.

Ukrainian finance minister Natalya Yaresko estimated the war is costing Ukraine $10 million dollars a day,
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. European finance ministers agreed to loan Ukraine €1.5 billion in addition to the €15 billion loan programme agreed by the EU and Ukraine last March, as the Ministry of Finance has estimated that the war has shrunk the country’s economy by 20%

However, Kiev is unwilling to scale back its military in response to its economic problems as it is now prepared to extend the bracket for the nation-wide call to military service towards female citizens in a bid to reinforce its national security services and deliver on its
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to mobilise and enlist 200,000 Ukrainians in its arm forces by the end of 2015.

According to Seleznev, throughout the mobilisation period which began last month and will continue until April, Ukrainian women between the ages of 20 and 50 could be called up to serve as officers, while others aged between 20 and 40, could be called up to assist the military in support positions.

The spokesperson for the armed forces told press the personal records of female citizens will be screened and potential candidates for military services will be called up, based on evidence for previous desire to serve in the military, indications that they are of the right health to for army service or at the very least that their profession has given them some “army-relevant education”.

Seleznev did not elaborate on the specifics of the criteria, however he did indicate that however many women are successfully recruited into the Ukrainian armed forces, the “majority” of the will be in charge of medical duties, communications or logistical assistance, as opposed to regular combat duty.

By the end of the current recruitment cycle in April the Ukrainian armed forces have set a target to mobilise 60,000 new recruits.

According to Seleznev, near the end of 2014 as an emergency provision around 100 women were recruited for army service.

Yesterday
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, the spokesperson for Ukraine’s National Security Services told journalists that 95% of army call-ups for the current recruitment cycle were completed with around half of the new recruits expected to join the armed forces by April, having already been sent to training.

According to a
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issued last month by major general Vladimir Talaylay the deputy head of command of Ukraine’s armed forces, 78,000 call-ups have been sent to Ukrainian citizens over the current recruitment cycle, and 46,000 of those having already been successfully assimilated into the army.

The Ukrainian army consists primarily of men aged 18-60 years old, however, according to Talaylay, any servicemen between the ages of 50 and 60 are not obliged to serve in the military during the call-up but have chose to do so voluntarily.

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Dannhill

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Ukrainians flee the draft!
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Ukrainians prefer to serve in the army to travel abroad, not rare in Russia, Ukraine recognized aggressor country.

A new wave of mobilization was negatively perceived by the public, although officials say that everything is fine.
From the start of
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took place once a week, and she's already had time to acquire a variety of rumors and scandals.

While the authorities claim that the mobilization is going well, and all the plans are executed in the information space every day there are new reports of widespread
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The country's leadership has traditionally blamed in an attempt to
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the Russian special services and plans to toughen the punishment for evading military service. In the neighboring state and do not hide that they want to prevent the Ukrainian mobilization.

Correspondent. net understood as is set in the army.

Volunteers ended

In the fourth stage of mobilization aimed at only 6% are volunteers.


During the first stage of the partial mobilization in 2014 was intended to 20% of the total number of volunteers mobilized. During the second and third stage of mobilization, this figure was 10%.

Western Ukraine does not want to serve

The biggest problem in mobilization activities in the border Transcarpathian region, which had planned to mobilize 3,000 people.

According to the head of the mobilization department of the General control of the defense and mobilization planning of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Oleg Boyko, sometimes people go abroad whole villages.

"There is a report of the Chairman of the Kosovo village of the district, according to which the local population has hired two buses and drove them to the Russian Federation. On the border reservists paid for its intersection ", - said the head of mobilization department.

For example, in a small town Kolchyno Mukachevo district, Transcarpathian region of 105 people agenda presented only three: 9 persons not residing at the address register, and 93 people in January dropped to seasonal agricultural.

In Ternopil region also continues mass escape of the male population abroad. "However paradoxical it may be, but people fleeing the Russian Federation", - said Boyko.

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In Western Ukraine in no hurry to join the army
In Ivano-Frankivsk region also call blocking. For example, in the area of 50-60% for military service in general are not on the agenda, and 40% - go abroad. In particular, fixed export of urgency large number of draft-age men from the villages of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast in Russia.

Chapter 14 village councils Ivano-Frankivsk region in general refused to receive a summons from the military offices

Over the past 30 days the state border in the Chernivtsi region crossed the 17% of the total number of reservists area. From unofficial sources that the hostels and motels in the border area of neighboring Romania completely filled draft evaders Ukrainians.

In Volyn residents of several villages Shatsky district representatives cars blocked the recruiting office, police and officials, delivers agenda.

In particular, the villagers Food, Millers, Calm 24 January with officials stopped the car and forced them to destroy the agenda . Only then people were released from the local authorities.

In addition 19% of notified conscripts Volyn region refused military service on religious grounds , although in recent years the percentage of failure on this formulation does not exceed 0.7%.

So much so, that the Consulate General of Poland in Lutsk does not issue visas for Ukrainians military age.

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January 21, 2015, 15:27
In particular, Volhynians complain that citizens return documents with the phrase "information you have provided to confirm the purpose and conditions of the trip, unreliable." In this case, the consulate did not explain what exactly should be corrected in the documents, but denied, mostly men who fall in Ukraine under mobilization.

In this case, the State Border Service has previously stated that military service does not need help from the recruiting office to cross the border.

In the south-eastern and central situation is better

It turns out that the traditionally more patriotic mood of the population of Western Ukraine and does not want to serve.

At the same time, according to presidential adviser Yury Biryukov , normally executed plans for mobilization in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Zaporizhzhya, Dnipropetrovsk, Cherkasy, Zhytomyr, Kirovograd region.

While, for example, in the Poltava region of the conscripts who received the summons, almost 50% in the military enlistment offices have not appeared, especially not in a hurry at the service of reserve officers.

Distribute all agenda

Capital ZhEKov workers threaten to cut part of the salary due to the failure distribute agenda.

"Our masters are forced to carry on Troyeschina agenda and even get more roots are not the recipient, who specifically addressed the agenda, and to sign a relative. Even if there kvaritirosemschiki, they must sign," - said one of the janitors.

Bole addition, according to public utilities, they must carry the agenda from 8:00 to 9:00 in the evening - around 22:00 and for refusing to cut wages or afraid not to charge a premium.

According to the Law of Ukraine "On mobilization preparation and mobilization" of the authority to conduct the activities assigned to the mobilization of local executive authorities and local governments, in particular, on the organization of timely notification and arrival of citizens required to perform duties of mobilization.

Thus, the agenda can deliver not only the military office workers, but also representative of the government, local authorities, the registration center or housing department.

In Dnipropetrovsk region agenda issue in local employment centers.


Putin proposes to hang

Russian President Vladimir Putin openly stated that Ukrainians can evade mobilization in his country.

"By the way, many people have already evade mobilization, trying to move us, to sit here for a while. And rightly so, because they are simply pushed back, as cannon fodder, the bullets," - he said.

The Head of State noted that in accordance with the new law, citizens of Ukraine can not stay in Russia for more than 30 days. "They come back, and" whack "and there again, the bullets expelled. Therefore, we will probably change here something" - said the president of the Russian Federation.


And today become aware of such legislative changes in Russia. Russian Federal Migration Service (FMS) to extend your stay in Russia Ukrainian citizens of military age for more than 90 days.

"To extend the legal stay in Russia for Ukrainian citizens must within 90 days from the date of entry into Russian territory to contact the unit FMS of Russia at the place of temporary residence. The period of temporary stay will be extended repeatedly for further periods of 90 days," - explained in FMS.

To blame the security services

Security Service of Ukraine believes that the injection of the situation with the mobilization of social networks, particularly in the network "Vkontakte" is developed scenario of Russian security services.

No physical confrontation mobilization. The situation is injected into the social networks, it's all the Kremlin bots

Markiyan Lubkivsky, adviser to the head of the SBU
He added that this scenario is well known for the SBU, and nothing new Russian special services do not take.

Prime Minister Yatsenyuk considers the purpose of the escalation of the conflict in the Russian Donbass yaalyaetsya stall next wave of mobilization.

MPs can help?

The Verkhovna Rada has registered a bill on the mobilization of People's Deputies.

According to the draft, the deputies of Ukraine have the right to leave for military service during mobilization in space combat missions, the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the intersessional period and days when there is no plenary sessions.


Decision on the functional responsibilities of the deputy in the field performing combat tasks taken in consultation with the deputy persons whose competence is keeping this issue.

But most MPs do not vote for this proposal, and for tougher penalties for evasion of mobilization.

Administration of the President declares the implementation of the plan of mobilization, but at the same time in favor of tougher penalties for the failure of mobilization.

If Ukrainians fled mobilization under the previous rules, surely a more severe penalty stop them?
 

SampanViking

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Sure there are many German business suffering and complaining, but that's a small part of the bigger problem that Germany has on its hand. btw, Germany is also not the only country in EU.

Consider this when we think about Germany's commitment to Russia.
German taxpayers are responsible for $41.3 billion via the EFSF, with Target2 liabilities of another $11 billion. That's 52 billion
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As for German's foreign trade
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Russia does not make the list of top 9 export countries on here (I saw $48 billion euro in another web site), but did import 41 billion euro. So, it was running a trade deficit against Russia.

So, the entire export to Russia is less than Germany's liabilities to one peripheral EU country.

and aside from that, things it imported from Russia can now be imported from other eurozone countries or germany itself. That and lower energy cost can stimulate greater demand from other eurozone countries. Other countries spending less importing energy from Russia will now have more money to buy German import.

German export was at an all time high in October of 2014
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Germany posted record trade surplus in 2014
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These are facts. I didn't make them up..

Well I suppose that this is exactly what I wanted to avoid; a long drawn out off topic detour.

My last word then.
You may believe that the effects on sanctions on the EU is marginal and only reflects on a small fraction of combined GDP.

I and others argue that actually this is upsetting a deep and wide matrix of substantial investment, much of which has the potential to seriously disrupt the financial health of Key Industrial companies which are especially, the drivers of the German economy and Germany of course being the driver of the EU as a whole (esp Eurozone).
It does not matter how fine and glorious your vehicle, without a driver it does not move!

This of course is not a theoretical discussion as it reflected actual high profile moves led by German Chancellor Merkel, which includes breaking ranks from and contradicting Washington and other NATO allies.
This is no small deal, so ask yourself
Which of our scenarios is likely to be necessary and the correct situation, to cause such a fundamental break of lock step to occur?
 
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