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SampanViking

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That is one large file to read there TnE. I had a quick look and most of what I could see from that very light scan was old equipment and largely from the Soviet and early post soviet eras. It may be an idea to prepare some edited highlights of any noticeable exceptions and would be even better if you could explain the significance.

In the meantime a couple of videos

1) Claims that the DPR now control the whole Airport and that the Ukrainians are too busy directly contesting Peski and Andeveyka that they have no capacity to try and recapture any part of it.

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This second video moves to the Debaltsevo area and is one of a number of recent videos to come out of the village of Nikishino (good question for a pub quiz - what country is Nikishino in? and I bet most people reply Japan)

Nikishino is in reality in the DPR and South of Debaltsevo itself.

Visit by RT's Graham Philips

[video=youtube_share;VfBRt-wQ4W0]http://youtu.be/VfBRt-wQ4W0[/video]
 

Scratch

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Really? Another Nazi Mace? Are people so much out of arguments that the only idea is a constant stream of insults? I guess if something is repeated often enough, one can believe it oneself. It makes the world pretty easy of course if everyone with a different oppinion is a Nazi and as such needs to be exterminated.

The recent ukrainian parliamentary election saw an overwhelming defeat of the far right / nazi parties. The right sector isn't even in parliament. Over the past few month those people in most parts of Ukraine had their say in presidential and parliamentary elections and, while speaking out mostly in favor of pro western politics, overwhelmingly stood away from any Nazi parties. Continuing to call those elected in these instances Nazis across the board just displays open hatred towards very many ukrainians (talking about racism here).

On another note, that russian draft is, in my eyes, very much decieptfull as well.
It very quickly makes a Nazi of anyone standing against the "anti-Hitler" coalition in any way. Which sets a dangerous condition, as the Russian Federation already annexed part of another sovreign country under the pretext of fighting neoNazis.
When Baltic stats for example remove soviet army statues, it puts them in the hazy spot as well for being a place that needs to be saved from Nazis.
Now that is an area that actualy becomes a quandrary for the russians, IMO. Nazi defeat didn't bring freedom for the Baltics, or eastern europe for that matter. It put them back under the brutal controll of maybe one of the largest (former time) Nazi collaborators, the Stalinist soviet union. A pretty dramatic event in the history of those nations.

To connect those people, who have suffered speechless harm from invaders from both sides of their borders, to one of their former tantalizers is tasteless beyond belief.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Sampan skip to page 46, the anti tank systems. particularly photos 53,61 and 63. Late model post fall systems and documentation. Small arms are only really evident in the case of ukraine when they are blatantly late models like we saw in the Crimea.
remember the USSR treated the Ukraine as a weapons stockpile during the cold war, so once the rebels secured the government warehouses they had enough AK's to fight WW3. Incidentally expect that if this ever "Settles out" lots of those AK's to pop up across the world as crime guns and arming all kinds of terror groups and rebels.
but the ATGM's and surface to Air man portable missiles, those have a shelf life. the Stingers the CIA gave to the Afghans are all paper weights now. so you need those to be bought regularly. and there we have critical late dates.
 

Air Force Brat

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Really? Another Nazi Mace? Are people so much out of arguments that the only idea is a constant stream of insults? I guess if something is repeated often enough, one can believe it oneself. It makes the world pretty easy of course if everyone with a different oppinion is a Nazi and as such needs to be exterminated.

The recent ukrainian parliamentary election saw an overwhelming defeat of the far right / nazi parties. The right sector isn't even in parliament. Over the past few month those people in most parts of Ukraine had their say in presidential and parliamentary elections and, while speaking out mostly in favor of pro western politics, overwhelmingly stood away from any Nazi parties. Continuing to call those elected in these instances Nazis across the board just displays open hatred towards very many ukrainians (talking about racism here).

On another note, that russian draft is, in my eyes, very much decieptfull as well.
It very quickly makes a Nazi of anyone standing against the "anti-Hitler" coalition in any way. Which sets a dangerous condition, as the Russian Federation already annexed part of another sovreign country under the pretext of fighting neoNazis.
When Baltic stats for example remove soviet army statues, it puts them in the hazy spot as well for being a place that needs to be saved from Nazis.
Now that is an area that actualy becomes a quandrary for the russians, IMO. Nazi defeat didn't bring freedom for the Baltics, or eastern europe for that matter. It put them back under the brutal controll of maybe one of the largest (former time) Nazi collaborators, the Stalinist soviet union. A pretty dramatic event in the history of those nations.

To connect those people, who have suffered speechless harm from invaders from both sides of their borders, to one of their former tantalizers is tasteless beyond belief.

Thank you Scratch for an outstanding post sir, hope you will continue to apply your intellect and reason here as needed, brings a more honest approach to this whole situation, keep up the good work young man!
 

Dannhill

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And here's another view. The far right has simply migrated towards one bloc of very clear nationalist stance and hostile towards those Russian terrorist grannies in the east.

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Ukraine’s Stunning Election-Results
Posted on November 2, 2014 by Eric Zuesse.
Eric Zuesse

If the new Ukrainian parliament fails to deliver an intensification of the ethnic-cleansing that is going on against the nation’s ethnic-Russian southeast, Ukrainians in the northeast will be sorely disappointed. Even before the February coup and the breakaway of Ukraine’s least-conservative region, which is the Donbass region in the southeast, Ukraine was the farthest-rightwing country in Europe and in the former Soviet Union; but the now rump (without Donbass) Ukraine has a political spectrum that ranges virtually exclusively from far right to extreme right – really off-the-map right.

Still, Ukraine’s parliamentary elections were a shocking upset victory for the “war” bloc of Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk against President Petro Poroshenko’s earlier-favored “peace” bloc.

John Helmer, who is perhaps the best writer on Ukrainian public opinion concerning politics, observes that toward the end of the campaigning, Ukraine’s voters were evidently becoming more favorable toward racist-fascist or nazi war policies, so that Arseniy Yatsenyuk’s far-rightist (essentially nazi) parliamentary bloc ultimately received 22.2% of the nationwide (minus Novorossia — nonvoting) votes instead of the earlier-poll-projected 7%; and Petro Poroshenko’s merely rightist (essentially fascist) bloc won 21.8% instead of the earlier poll-projected 32%.

Clearly, the swing to the more-overt nazi position shouldn’t have come as any surprise, however. Public opinion was very fluid in an electorate that understands little else than that they hate the Government that they have. Turnout was very low.

On October 15th, Helmer bannered “Washington’s Latest Opinion Poll Reveals Ukrainian Majority Opinion in Favour of More Military Force,” and he showed polling-results in which Poroshenko had the highest voter-confidence, while the outright nazi politicians such as Igor Kolomoysky, Yulia Timoshenko, Dmytry Yarosh, and Arsen Avakov, polled in the bottom half. However, the nazis Oleh Tyaqnybok and Oleg Lyashko were in the top half, and the nazi Yatsenyuk himself was second only to the fascist Poroshenko. Furthermore, in the far west, 63% wanted “more military force” to be used than Poroshenko was using. In the far eastern districts that Kiev still controls, only around 40% did. Overall: “Apparently, a majority of 50% thinks there hasn’t been enough force [enough war].” Furthermore, of all social institutions, “Ukraine’s Military Forces” enjoyed the highest confidence, while the parliament and the local police were near the bottom.

Then, on October 29th, right after the vote-counting, Helmer headlined, “Ukrainian Democracy Produces Three Times the Yatsenyuk Votes” as compared to what was expected; and he reported that:

“With 98% of the ballots counted, the C[entral] E[lection] C[ommission] says Yatseniuk’s People’s Front has won 22.2%. Poroshenko’s bloc has received 21.8%. Comparing these results to polling published before the balloting commenced, Yatseniuk has roughly tripled the poll projections of between 5% and 8%. By contrast, Poroshenko has lost roughly ten percentage points or about a third of his 32% pre-election estimate. At the same time, voters who have been consistently giving Poroshenko 10% higher approval ratings than Yatseniuk appear to have reversed themselves.”

What happened is that more far-rightist voters than expected switched from other nazis to Yatsenyuk, as the leader of the “more war” bloc; so, that bloc won. “According to Nikolai Churilov of the Kiev-based Centre for Social and Marketing Research (SOCIS), … Yatseniuk was able to steal the war programme of the extreme right.”

The people in Donbass had already been expecting that the Ukrainian Government’s “die or leave” policy would be resumed against them in full force; but, now, it is clear that the farther away a Ukrainian is from that far-eastern region, the stronger is that Ukrainian’s desire to exterminate the people in Donbass but to keep their land.

Only in the mind of a nazi does it make sense to kill the people but retain the land on which those people live. “We want your land but we don’t want you — we hate you” isn’t only Obama’s Ukrainian policy; it’s the policy of most Ukrainians who live in Ukraine’s northeastern half.

In this sense, Obama knew what he was doing when he planned his February coup there.
 

Dannhill

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As to the outcome of how the rest of the world sees the UN Resolution Condemning the heroization of Nazism and Hitlerism, I let the percentage speak for themselves.

Clearly a 1.73% No Vote cannot claim to represent the Morally Right nor the world at all. Any attempt to justify would be hubris?

UN Resolution condemning the heroization of Nazism

Total Votes: 173

Voted Yes: 115 (66.47%)

Voted No: 3 (1.73%)

Abstain: 55 (31.79%)
 

Dannhill

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I think it'd be more honest to say it is a counter battery radar system than just "anti-mortar" since it's use is clearly also appropriate for both artillery as well as rockets trajectory computations.

The war is getting more interesting as we see a "keeping up with the Jones" upgrading of means to kill on both sides.

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On the flip side, I've came across posts in VK referring to the militia using counter battery radar to punish Kiev artillery batteries pounding city of Donetsk and the airport.

As oft said by more neutral observers, the only people suffering will be ordinary Ukrainians on both sides who just want a peaceful life.
 
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Dannhill

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On the issue of "weapons proliferation" we have seen how US supplied has of late fallen into the hands of the IS. Even so-called "moderate" Syrian rebels have taken their US supplied equipment and joined with IS.

But back to Ukraine, lose of US supplied stuff is not a case of "never" happened but more a case of not reported by western MSM.

Literally "wheels on meals" as even before the last carton was unloaded in Ukraine warehouses it was already offered for sale online.
The black market has fast hands and feet.

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Some Canadian MPs are concerned over Canada's rush to equip Ukraine forces and the clear lack of safeguards to prevent the stuff from falling into the hands of the nationalist battalions or black marketeers.

The official reply can hardly be said to be reassuring in anyway.

"We turn these over to representatives of the Ukraine government."

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Dannhill

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This Ukrainian site listed arms that Russia supplied to the militia, besides amour piercing bullets. Let's all help look out for these in the gadzillion photos posted by the militia.

Pantsir-S1
TOS-1 Buratino rocket launchers
AK-100 assault rifles
modernised Russian armoured personnel carriers

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Note: the TOS-1 is very awesome!
 
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