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Jeff Head

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A bunch more pictures of the Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carrier being prepared for launch in a few weeks.

Thanks to popeye for pointing me to
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It's going to be a big day for the UK...and a lot of work.
 
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HMS Duncan, the sixth and final Type 45 destroyer, was the most complete at launch in October 2010. She will be the first of the Type 45 class to be capable of deploying Harpoon.

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Some good news from the Type 45s front. All ships appear to have received their Phalanx fit, even HMS Duncan, the last vessel to enter service, which sported them in her recent visit to Oslo for the 200 years of the norwegian navy.
As we have known from MOD words since last year, Harpoon missile fit is also on the way for four of the six ships. It is not exactly clear when the missiles will take their place on board, but the Royal Navy's website itself is confirming that HMS Duncan is going to be the first in class getting the system. Unconfirmed reports suggest that Daring, Dragon and Diamond will be the other three. It remains unclear if the other two ships in the class are going to be cut out entirely, or if they will be fitted with the launchers infrastructure, wiring and software, allowing the missile fit itself to be moved from vessel to vessel to ensure the deployed ships have the capability.
The MOD said that additional equipment would be purchased to enable the integration of Harpoon on Type 45 (in addition to the kit that is recovered from the four decommissioned Type 22 Batch 3 frigates) but it is not clear if it is needed for the four ships, or to prepare the other two.
If all vessels get the infrastructure and system integration, swapping the missile fit from one to another is not going to be an issue; but unfortunately i'm inclined to read it as having two vessels which will flat-out not get the capability.
It is also not clear when the missile fit will appear. HMS Duncan was seen in port last march with a white tent covering what was almost certainly work related to getting the Harpoon infrastructure in; but on her subsequent sorties to sea, she still does not sport the missiles
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asif iqbal

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Great post Forbin finally good to see Type 45 getting some offensive capability no doubt in a ideal world one would want all 6 units to have harpoon missiles but it's a start
 

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Consortium Offers Proposal if UK Re-establishes Maritime Patrol Requirement
May. 29, 2014 - 08:49PM | By ANDREW CHUTER |

LONDON — A consortium involving L-3 Communications, Selex and Ultra Electronics has thrown its hat into the ring as a bidder for a possible British government requirement to re-establish a maritime patrol aircraft capability.

The industrial trio took the wraps off a multimission maritime patrol and surveillance aircraft based on a modified Bombardier Q400 commercial turboprop in a briefing for reporters here today.

Britain’s fixed-wing maritime patrol capability was axed when the Nimrod MRA4 program was canceled by the Conservative-led coalition in 2010, although the previous Labour administration had already withdrawn an earlier version of the aircraft ahead of the introduction into service of the new and much-delayed Nimrod.

The consortium joins fixed-wing contenders like Airbus, Boeing, Lockheed Martin and unmanned air vehicle supplier Northrop Grumman positioning for an expected decision by the British government’s 2015 strategic defense and security review (SDSR) on whether to fill a yawning capability gap left by a budget-driven decision in the last review to do away with fixed-wing maritime patrol capability.

L-3 Mission Integration announced in February it was collaborating with Bombardier Aerospace and Cascade Aerospace of Canada and Britain’s Marshall Aerospace to develop an extended-range version of the Q400 for maritime patrol and surveillance duties.

Cascade was working on the auxiliary fuel tanks and Marshall Aerospace the internal fuel system integration.

Now, L-3 has revealed British sensor and mission systems suppliers Selex ES and Ultra Electronics have signed up to collaborate in the development of an aircraft that initially, at least, has the possible Royal Air Force requirement as its main target.

The aircraft features auxiliary fuel tanks running down the side of the fuselage and a large under-fuselage canoe capable of housing weapons and sensors.

Executives at the briefing said they have also been looking at the options for inflight refueling to extend the range of the machine even further than the 10 hours or so offered by the Q400 with auxiliary fuel tanks.

Selex’s sensor fit offering include its Seaspray 7500 radar and the Eagle active electronically scanned array wide-area radar.

Officials said an Eagle with a 4-meter-long array would provide nearly the air-surveillance capabilities offered by the RAF’s E-3D Sentry airborne early warning fleet.

Ultra is proposing an in-development airborne acoustic system which, along with a new generation of sonar buoys, would be capable of countering the increasing threat posed by a proliferation of small quiet submarines operating in the littoral.

Weapon options include lightweight torpedoes and anti-surface ship missiles like the Harpoon. Weapons could be carried in the fuselage canoe or wing hard points.

Flash Gordon, L-3 communications director of international programs here, said the consortium had already acquired an ex-airline Q400 for modification into a test bed and demonstration platform.

The airframe is due to be moved to aircraft modifier Cascade later in the year for installation of auxiliary fuel tanks fitted down the sides of the fuselage and payload systems ahead of type certification and fitting out of further systems next year.

Gordon said they could have an aircraft with an initial operating capability ready by early 2019.

The L-3 executive said multirole flexibility and low whole life costs of a platform like the 400Q were the key to adoption by customers who could no longer afford single mission aircraft.

Gordon said British MoD officials had already been briefed on the aircraft’s capabilities.

The aircraft would provide 80 percent of the capabilities of Boeing’s P-8 maritime patrol aircraft but at a third of the acquisition and operating cost, he said.

Pressure on budgets here, though, continue to raise questions about if and when a maritime patrol capability might be reinstated.

Further government spending cuts are expected after the May 2015 election even though the Conservative government says it remains committed to a 1 percent real growth in the equipment budget for several years starting in 2016.

Brian Burridge, Finmeccanica UK’s vice president of strategic marketing, told reporters at the briefing that plugging the gap in British maritime patrol capabilities has emerged as the highest priority in the next SDSR.

“The general rhetoric is that filling this capability gap is currently the highest priority for SDSR 2015 ... but the issue remains affordability,” said the retired RAF air chief marshal.

Recent events in the Atlantic and Indian oceans have added to the growing recognition that the UK has a capability gap, he said.

“The Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 and the yacht [sunk in the Atlantic earlier this month] have conjured the notion of what if that happened here? What if we had to mount that sort of search operation, what degree of national embarrassment would that bring with it?” said Burridge.

Earlier this month, Britain had to send an RAF C-130 Hercules into the Atlantic equipped only with binoculars to look for the yacht — an accident in which the crew of four lost their lives.

Officials from the three companies said they reckoned a fleet of between 10 and 12 aircraft would be a starting point to plug the gap left by the SDSR decision in 2010. ■

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The RAF used Nimrod platforms as a Maritime patrol craft for years but it was retired in 2010-2011 this has left a Gap in the RAF defenses. The UK really needs to take back up it's capabilities list.
 

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Naval Today said:
A team from HMS Ocean has been training at Britannia Royal Naval College (BRNC) in preparation for taking Britain’s biggest warship back to sea following a 15-month £65 million revamp.

The ship’s Bridge team of 11, made up of Officers and Ratings, spent the week at the Naval College in Dartmouth using the state-of-the-art simulator which allowed them to practise manoeuvring the 20,700 tonne ship.

In the shape of a ship’s bridge the simulator has images outside of the windows which represent open sea or harbours and coastlines from around the world. It can be configured for any class of Royal Navy ship or submarine.

At the click of a button changes can be made to simulate different environmental conditions, such as sea states and winds, and bring into play other vessels, objects or scenarios. Primarily it is used for Officer Cadets during their navigation training.

Lieutenant Commander (Lt Cdr) Maryla Ingham, HMS Ocean’s Navigating Officer said: “HMS Ocean is the biggest ship in the Navy and due to her size and design she handles very differently from the Frigates and Destroyers in which an Officer-of-the-Watch (OOW) will have been trained.

“The ship also has a much higher Bridge which is displaced from the centreline. All these factors change the way in which the OOW should behave and the simulator can be used to help the OOW gain an appreciation of their blind spots, shadow distances and the need to think ahead to resolve problems at range.”

As well as allowing the OOW to hone their ship-handling and bridgemanship skills, the ship’s Quartermasters were able to work towards their endorsements for sea by practising tactical communications, voice procedures and helmsmanship.

“For part of the training the Bridge team were joined by the ship’s Tactical Communications Support team. This enabled them to test their warfare skills in an operational based scenario which saw the ship sailing from Plymouth Sound as part of a task-group of vessels.

Lt Cdr Ingham said: “The week of core training away from the ship purely concentrating on the Bridge environment was invaluable to building team ethos and stronger working relationships.

“It helped us to recognise strengths and weaknesses to identify further training priorities. Following a short introduction by BRNC Staff, we were allowed to run the training ourselves.

“As the ship prepares to go to sea for the first time after refit, the team will be better prepared for the challenges that lie ahead because of the week at the BRNC simulator.”

HMS Ocean, or the Mighty O as she is nicknamed, has been out of action since late 2012, undergoing an overhaul in her home base of Devonport. She is due to return to sea this summer.
 

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One of the three Rivet Joint surveillance aircraft UK is buying from the U.S. as part of the Airseeker program has been flown in UK airspace by an RAF aircrew for the first time.

The RC-135W is one of the most important assets in the U.S. Air Force inventory: it has been used to perform SIGINT (Signal Intelligence) in almost all U.S. missions across the globe and, as we write, an American Rivet Joint out of RAF Mildenhall, in the UK, is probably flying over the Baltic region (as done almost daily in the last couple of months) to collect and relay Russian signals and communications.

Equipped with all sorts of antennae and sensors, the Rivet Joint is capable to eavesdrop enemy transmissions and detect frequencies used by radio and radars: it can pinpoint emissions within a large coverage area and transmit the snooped data via satellite.

Therefore it is a strategic platform that helps the Pentagon to draw the EOB (Electronic Order of Battle) of the enemy prior and during crisis or wars.

The Royal Air Force is going to be the only Rivet Joint operator outside the U.S. Air Force. It will operate three RC-135W surveillance planes, within a project dubbed “Airseeker.”

The three RC-135s come from ex-US Air Force KC-135 tankers, whose conversion by L-3IS in Greenville, Texas, started back in January 2011. The aircraft have been bought directly from the US government at a cost of around £650 million.

Being almost identical to the examples flown by the U.S. Air Force, the British RC-135W are going to be equipped with an air-to-air (AAR) refueling system that will prevent them from taking fuel from RAF tankers.

Indeed, as explained by the UK’s MoD: “The modification fro KC to RC standard has entailed removal of the air-to-air refueling boom delivery system and embodiment of an AAR receiver system above the cockpit.”

Since no refueling probe was designed for the British RC-135W (unlike what done for the E-3Ds, to make them capable to refuel from RAF’s tankers), Rivet Joints will only be able to refuel from tankers equipped with flying boom, even if UK does not operate that kind of refueler: RAF’s A330 Voyager tankers are only equipped with the so-called “hose and drogue” system (the U.S. Navy’s standard).

This means that, without the help of the U.S. Air Force or one of the other allied air arms that operate boom-equipped tankers, British RC-135s will be limited to no more than 12 hours of endurance, a bit of a problem considered that persistence in the area of operation for several hours could be required to fulfill a spy mission.

Even though they couldn’t autonomously support their own missions, RAF could find some help from other allies: U.S. with KC-135 and KC-10s; Italy with its KC-767A; Australia, Saudi Arabia and UAE, with their Airbus 330 MRTTs equipped with flying booms; along with France, Israel and few others that operate boom-equipped tanker based on the B707.

Furthermore, it must not be forgotten that European NATO countries are performing “collective activities,” sharing the most important assets (including tankers) to optimize resources in light of the ever shrinking Defense budgets.

British Rivet Joint may take advantage of NATO’s “sharing and pooling” concept for tankers.
 

asif iqbal

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Yeah nice to see HMS Ocean back in the water

But I will say this, this might be the last time we see a LHD from RN because I find it hard to believe that MoD could possibly ask for another LHD when they have two huge flat tops in operation

So this could be the last refit for Ocean after this we have two very large carrier each hanger can take a Chinnoks so means any helicopter air borne assault will be carriers not by LHD

Once those two carriers are in operation I believe that will kill any future concept of LHD and it will be really hard to justify purchase of a LHD when we have two carriers

What you really want in a ideal world is do what France has done, they have the one carrier plus 3 x Mistral Class LHD

What this means is they can have a flat top at sea without it being a carrier which has many benefits which means a carrier is used for what it was designed air opps

Now if France added a second carrier with those 3 x LHD they would be one hell of a navy the flat top area at sea would be huge and we all know how valuable a flat surface is on the ocean

Can MoD justify extra 3 LHD plus two carriers? No chance in hell but remember this France managed to offset the LHD by getting those Russian orders so actually if you think about it all is not that bad if a foreign country picks your design then it could be even cheaper to build a LHD for your own navy
 

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Yeah nice to see HMS Ocean back in the water

But I will say this, this might be the last time we see a LHD from RN because I find it hard to believe that MoD could possibly ask for another LHD when they have two huge flat tops in operation

So this could be the last refit for Ocean after this we have two very large carrier each hanger can take a Chinnoks so means any helicopter air borne assault will be carriers not by LHD

Once those two carriers are in operation I believe that will kill any future concept of LHD and it will be really hard to justify purchase of a LHD when we have two carriers
I do not think so Asif.

Ocean was commissioned in 1998 and the decision was already taken for her to continue on for the long term as an LPH after her overhaul.

Illustrious was converted to an LPH in 2011 specifically so Ocean could go through this overhaul, and then continue on afterwards. Illustrious will now be retired and decommissioned either this year or next.

That will leave the Royal Navy with one LPH and two large LPDs, the Albion class, the first of which was commissioned in 2003 and the second in 2005. They will also continue on for the long term. I expect all three of them, Ocean and the two Albions, to serve through the 2020s.

What you really want in a ideal world is do what France has done, they have the one carrier plus 3 x Mistral Class LHD

What this means is they can have a flat top at sea without it being a carrier which has many benefits which means a carrier is used for what it was designed air opps
Well the UK will have two large carriers, one large LPH and two large LPDs instead, and that will serve them well.
 

asif iqbal

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I do not think so Asif.

Ocean was commissioned in 1998 and the decision was already taken for her to continue on for the long term as an LPH after her overhaul.

Illustrious was converted to an LPH in 2011 specifically so Ocean could go through this overhaul, and then continue on afterwards. Illustrious will now be retired and decommissioned either this year or next.

That will leave the Royal Navy with one LPH and two large LPDs, the Albion class, the first of which was commissioned in 2003 and the second in 2005. They will also continue on for the long term. I expect all three of them, Ocean and the two Albions, to serve through the 2020s.

Well the UK will have two large carriers, one large LPH and two large LPDs instead, and that will serve them well.

I think you missed the point maybe I should be more clear

I am taking about replacement programme for the HMS Ocean and after the current refit this should take her to 2018/19 after which there exists no plans to refit or replace her with a another like for like vessel for the LPD I don't know

Once HMS Ocean reaches the end of this refit that will most likely be the end because it can't take F35B and QE is designed to enter service soon after so RN doesn't loose anything, QE the hanger is large enough to take a Chinook and RN is already planning on how to use the deck for simultaneous helo operations to support amphibious troops mainly the Royal Navy Commandos

Now will the Commando helicopter force which is part of the fleet air arm shift to using the deck of the QE for future operations? I don't know I can still see LPD requirement and they might continue to have that but justifying another flat top just for CHF which has 4 helos squadrons is pretty unlikely

4,6 and 9 assault squadrons will continue no question about that but 1st assault group Royal Marines might just end up relying on the QE once the Ocean is gone for their helicopter force off course we will have to wait and see how this one plays out this is just my opinion
 
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