asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Wrong thread last time
Steel been cut for the second OPV
Steel been cut for the second OPV
Bernard
Junior Member
UK Commits To 2 Carriers, Fully Crewed; F-35B Numbers TBD By on September 04, 2015 at 1:30 PM
A computer-generated image of a Royal Navy F-35B taking off vertically from the new carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth.
WASHINGTON: The is committed to centered on two aircraft carriers, a senior Ministry of Defense official made clear yesterday. Just as important, the UK is committed to funding adequate crews to sail them — something that had been in doubt after much discussion about cutting costs by effectively the second carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, once it was built.
And Britain will not change its mind again. These are non-negotiable commitments not subject to revision by the ongoing Strategic Defense & Security Review (SDSR), Minister of State for Armed Forces, , told reporters late yesterday. What’s still up in the air in the review, however, is how many the Royal Navy will buy for the two carriers, Prince of Wales and .
Penny Mordaunt
“The decision to have two carriers was taken prior to the SDSR, and for my money, that was absolutely the right decision,” Mordaunt said. “We have made certain assumptions going into the SDSR about…some of the things that we think are fundamental and we have already committed to.”
“Manning them is very much already factored in to the Navy’s manning plan,” Mordaunt went on. Finally, there’s “investment that’s going in, actually not a stone’s throw away from my own constituency [], to enable…general maintenance to be done much more quickly.” To save costs, the Queen Elizabeth class has a fewer sailors for its size than older ships, she said, but it requires “additional shore support” to compensate.
Carriers are inherently maintenance-hungry, which is why Britain is building two in the first place: to ensure at least one is always ready to deploy, even if the other is in overhaul. “There’s no point in having a capability that you can’t rely on,” Mordaunt said, “and you need at least two carriers to be able to guarantee that you can use [one] when you need them.”
Of course, aircraft carriers aren’t much use without aircraft, either. Each QE-class ship can accommodate 40 aircraft of various types, but not all of those are going to be fighters. (Indeed, the British are planning to operate Queen Elizabeth with until its first F-35s are delivered). The maximum capacity for F-35s is reportedly , but during routine operations, each carrier might have only on board.
Will each carrier eventually get a full complement of F-35s? “Any sort of further commitments on details… whether it’s numbers of aircraft or numbers of frigates or what have you, that will be coming out of the SDSR process,” Mordaunt said. “But what I would say [is that in the SDSR] there will also be a lot of radical thinking about the kinds of things we will be operating… .from the carriers,” not just F-35s but “other air assets, whether they’re or unmanned..”
One of the savviest aerospace industry analysts around guesstimated the British would end up with 30 F-35Bs per carrier — eventually. “60 Bs, that would probably do the job,” Richard Aboulafia told me.
“The original buy of 138 F-35s [for the Royal Navy and RAF combined] looks unlikely,” Aboulafia said. “If we’re looking at acquisitions through 2030, with some F-35s acquired to replace earlier Eurofighters, we’ll likely see at least 100 UK F-35s”: 60 Bs for the Royal Navy and 40 As for the Royal Air Force.
(The is a conventional land-based aircraft that requires a runway, while the is a “jump jet” like the famous Harrier, with the ability to take off and land vertically on a much smaller deck. At one point the British planned to buy the conventional carrier-launched variant, the , but the requisite upgrades to the flight deck were ).
, Mordaunt made clear in her remarks yesterday to the that the fleet was a top priority.
“We are a maritime nation,” she said. “, in a few days we will be in deep trouble. 90 percent of everything that we use as fuel, as goods, is brought to the UK by sea. So this is an absolute priority for us.”
What’s more, , accepting a smaller fleet as the price of more capable vessels that can keep pace with the US Navy. “These are the most sophisticated warships in the world,” Mordaunt boasted at the Atlantic Council. They also “are probably the most expensive warships in the world,” she acknowledged, somewhat ruefully.
“You can buy a frigate for half the price that the are going to cost us,” Mordaunt said, but it wouldn’t have half the capability. Likewise, the is much more expensive and powerful than alternative designs, she said: “We have chosen to buy billion-pound warships because it makes us .”
I wish UK would get atleast 150 F-35b's for their carriers and the 60 F-35a's like planned for airforce
A computer-generated image of a Royal Navy F-35B taking off vertically from the new carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth.
WASHINGTON: The is committed to centered on two aircraft carriers, a senior Ministry of Defense official made clear yesterday. Just as important, the UK is committed to funding adequate crews to sail them — something that had been in doubt after much discussion about cutting costs by effectively the second carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, once it was built.
And Britain will not change its mind again. These are non-negotiable commitments not subject to revision by the ongoing Strategic Defense & Security Review (SDSR), Minister of State for Armed Forces, , told reporters late yesterday. What’s still up in the air in the review, however, is how many the Royal Navy will buy for the two carriers, Prince of Wales and .
Penny Mordaunt
“The decision to have two carriers was taken prior to the SDSR, and for my money, that was absolutely the right decision,” Mordaunt said. “We have made certain assumptions going into the SDSR about…some of the things that we think are fundamental and we have already committed to.”
“Manning them is very much already factored in to the Navy’s manning plan,” Mordaunt went on. Finally, there’s “investment that’s going in, actually not a stone’s throw away from my own constituency [], to enable…general maintenance to be done much more quickly.” To save costs, the Queen Elizabeth class has a fewer sailors for its size than older ships, she said, but it requires “additional shore support” to compensate.
Carriers are inherently maintenance-hungry, which is why Britain is building two in the first place: to ensure at least one is always ready to deploy, even if the other is in overhaul. “There’s no point in having a capability that you can’t rely on,” Mordaunt said, “and you need at least two carriers to be able to guarantee that you can use [one] when you need them.”
Of course, aircraft carriers aren’t much use without aircraft, either. Each QE-class ship can accommodate 40 aircraft of various types, but not all of those are going to be fighters. (Indeed, the British are planning to operate Queen Elizabeth with until its first F-35s are delivered). The maximum capacity for F-35s is reportedly , but during routine operations, each carrier might have only on board.
Will each carrier eventually get a full complement of F-35s? “Any sort of further commitments on details… whether it’s numbers of aircraft or numbers of frigates or what have you, that will be coming out of the SDSR process,” Mordaunt said. “But what I would say [is that in the SDSR] there will also be a lot of radical thinking about the kinds of things we will be operating… .from the carriers,” not just F-35s but “other air assets, whether they’re or unmanned..”
One of the savviest aerospace industry analysts around guesstimated the British would end up with 30 F-35Bs per carrier — eventually. “60 Bs, that would probably do the job,” Richard Aboulafia told me.
“The original buy of 138 F-35s [for the Royal Navy and RAF combined] looks unlikely,” Aboulafia said. “If we’re looking at acquisitions through 2030, with some F-35s acquired to replace earlier Eurofighters, we’ll likely see at least 100 UK F-35s”: 60 Bs for the Royal Navy and 40 As for the Royal Air Force.
(The is a conventional land-based aircraft that requires a runway, while the is a “jump jet” like the famous Harrier, with the ability to take off and land vertically on a much smaller deck. At one point the British planned to buy the conventional carrier-launched variant, the , but the requisite upgrades to the flight deck were ).
, Mordaunt made clear in her remarks yesterday to the that the fleet was a top priority.
“We are a maritime nation,” she said. “, in a few days we will be in deep trouble. 90 percent of everything that we use as fuel, as goods, is brought to the UK by sea. So this is an absolute priority for us.”
What’s more, , accepting a smaller fleet as the price of more capable vessels that can keep pace with the US Navy. “These are the most sophisticated warships in the world,” Mordaunt boasted at the Atlantic Council. They also “are probably the most expensive warships in the world,” she acknowledged, somewhat ruefully.
“You can buy a frigate for half the price that the are going to cost us,” Mordaunt said, but it wouldn’t have half the capability. Likewise, the is much more expensive and powerful than alternative designs, she said: “We have chosen to buy billion-pound warships because it makes us .”
I wish UK would get atleast 150 F-35b's for their carriers and the 60 F-35a's like planned for airforce
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
If we buy 60 x F35B for two carrier that doesn't mean 30 each does it , because at any one time not all 60 will be available probably only 2/3 will be so around 40
So with 40 you can only equip a single carrier to full capacity F35B requires high maintainance
If you are want to equip 36 x 2 carriers you require 72 units but around 100 units to make 72 ready for surge deployment of two simultaneous deployments
So the 138 I bet was the original number planned with that in mind
Now if we cut to 30 why did we build a 70,000 ton carrier a 50,000 ton would have done the job because 70,000 tons translates to 36 aircraft
And using the carriers for littoral missions is a big no no
That's why LHD is for, committing a carrier for littoral missions with rotary wing is a waste of resources
How about those two Mistrals from France ?
So with 40 you can only equip a single carrier to full capacity F35B requires high maintainance
If you are want to equip 36 x 2 carriers you require 72 units but around 100 units to make 72 ready for surge deployment of two simultaneous deployments
So the 138 I bet was the original number planned with that in mind
Now if we cut to 30 why did we build a 70,000 ton carrier a 50,000 ton would have done the job because 70,000 tons translates to 36 aircraft
And using the carriers for littoral missions is a big no no
That's why LHD is for, committing a carrier for littoral missions with rotary wing is a waste of resources
How about those two Mistrals from France ?
SamuraiBlue
Captain
Auugh, the carrier's full capacity is 40 planes. What are you going to do with AEWs and ASW to protect the carrier?
The US Navy has more various variety of crafts both fixed and rotary to carry out various missions and not just fighters.
Jura The idiot
General
Miragedriver
Brigadier
The United Kingdom upgrades its Apache helicopters for 3,000 million
(defensa.com) UK modernize its existing fleet of 50 Apache helicopters to the latest version AH-64E Apache Guardian. To this end, the Agency requested Defense Security Cooperation US (DSCA) selling miscellaneous equipment and reconstruction of their helicopters for a total of 3,000 million. The Ministry of Defence has already sent the document Request for Information (RFI) and the Department of State has approved the operation by credit Foreign Military Sales (FMS) of the requested approval has been already sent to Congress.
The Ministry of Defence decided in April decommission 16 of the 66 helicopters WAH-64 Mk1 Apache Longbow with that account after operations were completed in Afghanistan. These devices will be used as donor parts and not be modernized, and the remaining 50.
The program involves the reconstruction of fifty helicopters, supply of equipment, parts, components and logistical support. Specifically included in the British application rebuilding fifty helicopters, engines providing 110 General Electric T-700-GE-701D (one hundred and ten parts installed), reconstruction of 53 systems acquisition and target designation modernized AN / ASQ-170 (Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sights or M-TADS), rebuilding as many night vision systems for the pilot (Pilot Night Vision Sensors or PNVS). Also the reconstruction of 52 fire control radar (FCR) AN / APG-78, 55 electronic units Longbow radar, radar interferometers 52 AN / APR-48B, 60 missile warning systems (Common Missile Warning Systms or CMWS) AAR -57 (V) 3/5, 120 GPS positioning systems and inertial navigators and 300 helmets with data reporting system.
Providing laser detection systems AN / AVR-2B, detection equipment radar signals AN / APR-39 (V) 2, helmets presenters details Type Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems or IHDSS-21 is also included, Link 16 communications terminals for device interconnection between manned and unmanned addition of modern infrared electronic countermeasures. Other items provided are the usual spare parts, simulation equipment, specific tools, moving equipment helicopters and personnel training. Companies benefiting from this operation are mainly Boeing, Lockheed Martin and General Electric, industrial offsets not been determined by this agreement.
The Guardian AH-64E is the latest version of the gunship, characterized mainly by having more powerful engines, advanced communications equipment such as Link-16, the ability to control UAVs for reconnaissance, new composite rotors , undercarriage, greater speed, capacity and cargo climb. Besides its Longbow radar has been optimized to operate over the sea, so you can operate more efficiently in naval environment.
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(defensa.com) UK modernize its existing fleet of 50 Apache helicopters to the latest version AH-64E Apache Guardian. To this end, the Agency requested Defense Security Cooperation US (DSCA) selling miscellaneous equipment and reconstruction of their helicopters for a total of 3,000 million. The Ministry of Defence has already sent the document Request for Information (RFI) and the Department of State has approved the operation by credit Foreign Military Sales (FMS) of the requested approval has been already sent to Congress.
The Ministry of Defence decided in April decommission 16 of the 66 helicopters WAH-64 Mk1 Apache Longbow with that account after operations were completed in Afghanistan. These devices will be used as donor parts and not be modernized, and the remaining 50.
The program involves the reconstruction of fifty helicopters, supply of equipment, parts, components and logistical support. Specifically included in the British application rebuilding fifty helicopters, engines providing 110 General Electric T-700-GE-701D (one hundred and ten parts installed), reconstruction of 53 systems acquisition and target designation modernized AN / ASQ-170 (Modernized Target Acquisition and Designation Sights or M-TADS), rebuilding as many night vision systems for the pilot (Pilot Night Vision Sensors or PNVS). Also the reconstruction of 52 fire control radar (FCR) AN / APG-78, 55 electronic units Longbow radar, radar interferometers 52 AN / APR-48B, 60 missile warning systems (Common Missile Warning Systms or CMWS) AAR -57 (V) 3/5, 120 GPS positioning systems and inertial navigators and 300 helmets with data reporting system.
Providing laser detection systems AN / AVR-2B, detection equipment radar signals AN / APR-39 (V) 2, helmets presenters details Type Integrated Helmet and Display Sight Systems or IHDSS-21 is also included, Link 16 communications terminals for device interconnection between manned and unmanned addition of modern infrared electronic countermeasures. Other items provided are the usual spare parts, simulation equipment, specific tools, moving equipment helicopters and personnel training. Companies benefiting from this operation are mainly Boeing, Lockheed Martin and General Electric, industrial offsets not been determined by this agreement.
The Guardian AH-64E is the latest version of the gunship, characterized mainly by having more powerful engines, advanced communications equipment such as Link-16, the ability to control UAVs for reconnaissance, new composite rotors , undercarriage, greater speed, capacity and cargo climb. Besides its Longbow radar has been optimized to operate over the sea, so you can operate more efficiently in naval environment.
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Jura The idiot
General
The cost of purchase that is one thing but the cost of ownership determine the number of vessels (in this case may be aircrafts, tanks etc ..) that a military service can have or then training/deployment costs may suffer the conséquences.
Reasonnable prices but the bad pupil is incontestably the Albion
Reasonnable prices but the bad pupil is incontestably the Albion
