HMS Astute
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Thought they would be only around 6,000 tonnes like the French FREMM. But, 13x 8,000 tonnes frigates? OMG
Thought they would be only around 6,000 tonnes like the French FREMM. But, 13x 8,000 tonnes frigates? OMG
No...I am talking US dollars.
This is what the article said on price :
Article said:
I believe that the Global Combat Ship, aka Type 26, if it displaces 8,000 tons, is going to cost something like a billion US dollars each.
A Type 45 is more tha $ 1 billion US, probably closer to $1.4 billion US.
By comparison, US Arleigh Burke Flight IIA DDGs, which dislpaces around 9,500 tons, are now costing about $1.8 billion each.
And yes, Thunder, you are right...and I understand that the UK classes them by function. However, for all intents and purposes, since it is mulit-role, and will be relatively heavily armed, I expect most nations would classify it as a DDG.
In fact, almost anywhere, a 8,000 ton major combatant that plans on having 48 surface to air and 16 surface to surface VLS cells, along with a 5" (127mm) main gun, two 30mm autocannon, two 20mm Phalanx CIWS, two mini-guns, four achine guns, anti-submarine torpedo tubes, and a large flight deck and hanger for two medium sized ASW helos would most certainly be classified as a Destroyer...or should be.
Anyhow, these are going to be very capable vessels and coupled with the six Type 45 Darings will provide very adequately for escort, patrol, and national security duties for the UK.
Two Darings and two of these, along with an Astute, will make for a very formidable escort group for a Quess Elzabeth carrier.
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HMS Astute
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Followed by a GR.Ford armed with 80x F-35C from a far distance in case if we need a backup.
Jura The idiot
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sorry I misunderstood ... about one billion pounds would be the price if history repeated itself:
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Hehehe.Followed by a GR.Ford armed with 80x F-35C from a far distance in case if we need a backup.
I believe the QEs will be able to hold their own, with that type of grouping, against any other carrier in service outside the US and potentially the CDG with a deck load of Rafaels, their E-2C Hawkeyes, and escorted by Horizon DDGs, FREMM FFGs, and their new SSNs.
In a full war time scenario of the future, the Ford CVNs (and the Nimits too) will probably bring an airwing something like the following:
20 x F/A/18E Superhornets
20 x F/A/18F Superhornbets
20 x F-35C JSFs
06 x EA-18G Growlers
10 x UCAV (X-47B) aircraft
04 x E-2D Super Hawkeyes
02 x C2 or other COD aircraft
In such a scenario, they would be escorted by:
2 x Burke Flight III DDGs
2 x Burke Flight IIA DDGs
2 x New Surface Combatant FFGs
2 x Virginbia SSNs
With eleven such vessels in its inventory...meaning in a crunch that probably eight or nine of them could be made available...such a force will remain a very, very tough nut for anyone to crack and the pre-iminent naval/maritime force on the planet for the forseeable future.
Augmenting those forces with two very powerful UK CSGs will only add to that capabiliy and pre-iminence in a major way.
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Jura The idiot
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does anybody know the status of fitting the Type 45 with the Harpoons? A moment ago I used google with several combinations of key-words ... the newest article I found is dated
30 July 2014
... now I think I asked the same question this summer
anyway says
I haven't heard anything new.does anybody know the status of fitting the Type 45 with the Harpoons? A moment ago I used google with several combinations of key-words ... the newest article I found is dated
30 July 2014
... now I think I asked the same question this summer
These vessels were going to be going through refit, so as they come out, we should see the weapons fitted.
As to a follow-on to the Harpoon, it will be interesting to see what comes along. There will be options in the late teens to early 20s for the UK. The US LRSAM...the Norwegian NSM/JSM, etc...either route would be a good choice.
Jura The idiot
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