Typhoon Haiyan Disaster in the Philippines

z117

New Member
If you honestly believe China's $100k donation befits her status as a global power, then we'll take that as your standard for the Middle Kingdom. Some of us have higher standards for aspiring great powers.

Please. Lets pretend that China was feeling generous and offered 50 mil, the narrative then would be that China is trying to buy "favors" and than resolutely mocked as being hamfisted plutocrats. Your "standards" are a series of ever shifting goal posts that isn't meant to be met, or for the benefit of anyone other than an exercise in ego stroking by grandstanding over others, so spare me your sanctimony.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Hi all,

We had a heavy rain last night, and it's drizzling now. This is a sign of some typhoon is somewhere in the South China Sea. Is there any new typhoon coming?
 

xywdx

Junior Member
From what I gather, the biggest problem is the lack of tracked transports, there are plenty of supplies in ships and airports, just no way to get them to the people. In this case I believe a few dozen tracked amphibious vehicles like the EFV or ZBD equivalents would be a lot more useful than sending in another ship.

While air and naval power is useful, it cannot completely cover for the lack of amphibious vehicles.
Is the US sending in EFV's from Pacific Command?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
EFV was cancelled years ago, but the USMC does plan on deploying amphibious assault vehicles to get in there, the osprey and marine helicopters offer a lot of utility in this case to.
 

MwRYum

Major
From what I gather, the biggest problem is the lack of tracked transports, there are plenty of supplies in ships and airports, just no way to get them to the people. In this case I believe a few dozen tracked amphibious vehicles like the EFV or ZBD equivalents would be a lot more useful than sending in another ship.

While air and naval power is useful, it cannot completely cover for the lack of amphibious vehicles.
Is the US sending in EFV's from Pacific Command?

Right now the best is heavy lifting helicopters and tactical transport planes, because the disaster region has all its roads and infrastructures knocked out of action, and its local airport practically reduced to visual-only landing strip that only operable for C-130 and the like. At this time many relief supplies and rescue teams stuck in Manila airport couldn't get to the Tacloban area for that reason.

As for the helicopters, it's due to the roads are knocked out and there're still plenty isolated pockets out there, with almost a week passed since the storm hit landfall waiting for land vehicles to get into the area will be too late, it's essential to deploy helicopters, especially heavy-lifting ones like the Mi-17, into the area. The UH-60 from the USN might not be the best candidate but it'll have to do at this time, distributing more supplies and rescue teams (or at least medical crews or cleanup teams to stop disease outbreak) into the isolated regions.
 

MwRYum

Major
You fellows would argue about anything..jeez.. give it a rest. Does it really matter who helps the most or sent the most aid or who helped do what ever in 2000 forgotten??.. Jeez.. give it a rest.

People are suffering...you guys are counting pennies.

If it was only just us counting pennies it won't be so bad, it started with the highly publicized US effort as well as its regional allies, and then CNN chipped in making the Chinese effort the laughing stock of the week. Then for the Chinese government, even if they want to help or to match US' effort up to certain degree, the nationalistic opinion is hugely against "aiding and abiding an enemy state", because "they won't be grateful about it anyway"; so when the Chinese Foreign Ministry announced details of further aid, naturally the government is again taking heat in public opinion.

In HK, the feeling is mutual, which like I've said before is quite an irony. Other than a few opinion pieces on the South China Morning Post, nobody bat an eyelid when the SAR government announce that the deadline for sanctions will not be extended. For most, "we've already given them too much time" is the popular stance.
 

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TACLOBAN, Philippines (AP) — The Philippine government on Friday defended its efforts to deliver assistance to victims of Typhoon Haiyan, many of whom have received little or no assistance since the monster storm struck one week ago.

"In a situation like this, nothing is fast enough," Interior Secretary Mar Roxas said in Tacloban, most of which was destroyed by the storm one week ago. "The need is massive, the need is immediate, and you can't reach everyone."

The number of confirmed dead jumped more than 1,200 to 3,621, Eduardo del Rosario, executive director of the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council told reporters Friday.

Some officials estimate that the final toll, when the missing are declared dead and remote regions reached, will be more than 10,000. At least 600,000 people have been displaced.

Authorities are struggling to meet their immediate needs, an expected occurrence after major disasters, especially in already poor countries where local and national governments lack capacity.

The pace of the aid effort has picked up over the last 24 hours, according to reporters who have been in the region for several days. Foreign governments are dispatching food, water, medical supplies and trained staff to the region. Trucks and generators are also arriving.

But many people complain that the aid effort is inadequate.

"The government's distribution system is not enough. They are handing out small food packets to each household. But when you have three families inside one home, one little packet is not enough," said Renee Patron, 33, an American citizen of Filipino descent who was in Guiuan city on eastern Samar province when the typhoon struck.

Her friend, Susan Tan, whose grocery store and warehouse were completely looted after the typhoon, is despondent but determined to carry on with her life and help others.

She's now using her empty warehouse as a center from where people can make calls on a satellite phone she got from a friend who works for local telecoms company Smart. There has been no cell phone service in the town since last Friday.

"This was my store. Now's it's a relief center and a call center," said Tan, 43. "It was ransacked by panicked ... people desperate for food. There was no way to control them. We had stocked up on food for the Christmas holidays. They took everything, and not just the food. They ransacked my office too, anything they could find. They took away our furniture."

Now, the barren blue shelves are empty. Still it is serving a purpose, with about 100 people queued up outside waiting to make calls. The free calls are limited to one minute each.

Johnny Ogriman, one of the men waiting in the line, said he has not spoken to any family members since the typhoon hit last week. "I'm trying to call my brother in Saudi Arabia. I want to let him know that we're alive, that we're safe," he said.

"Although I've been looted and bankrupt by this, I cannot refuse my friends and my town. We need to help each other," she said. "I can't just go to Cebu and sit in the mall while this place is in ruins."

Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin told The Associated Press that armed forces have set up communications lines and C-130 transport planes are conducting regular flights to Tacloban, the capital of Leyte.

"The biggest challenge is to be able to reach out to all the areas and overwhelm them with food and water. There are just a few more areas in Leyte and Samar that have not been reached and our hope is that we will reach all these areas today, 100 percent," he said.

In Tacloban city, the big challenge is the restoration of power, where many electric posts are down. But it may take some time because of the debris, he said.

Troops are removing bodies near the sea with the help of the Departments of Health, Public Works and Highways, he said.

Water filtration systems are also operating in Tacloban and two other towns in Leyte province, the hardest-hit area. Helicopters are dropping relief supplies, he said.

Gazmin said that looting has been brought under control and no incidents have been reported over the past two days. "Our augmentation of the police and Philippine army was able to stop the problem of lawlessness," he said.

A U.S. aircraft carrier, the USS George Washington, is moored off the coast, preparing for a major relief mission. The fleet of helicopters on board is expected to drop food and water to the worst affected areas. The aircraft carrier will set up a position off the coast of Samar Island to assess the damage and provide medical and water supplies, the 7th Fleet said in a statement.

The carrier and its strike group together bring 21 helicopters to the area, which can help reach the most inaccessible parts of the disaster zone.

The United Kingdom also is sending an aircraft carrier, the HMS Illustrious, with seven helicopters and facilities to produce fresh water, Britain's Ministry of Defense said. It said the ship is expected to reach the area about Nov. 25.

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AP writers Todd Pitman in Guiuan and Jim Gomez in Manila contributed to this report.
 

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Release Date: 11/14/2013
By Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Shannon Heavin, Commander, Task Force 70 Public Affairs

PHILIPPINE SEA (NNS) -- George Washington Strike Group (GWSG) arrived in the vicinity of the Leyte Gulf today to support the Third Marine Expeditionary Brigade in assisting the Philippine government in 'Operation Damayan' in response to the aftermath of the Super Typhoon Haiyan/Yolanda in the Republic of the Philippines.

"We've completed our high-speed transit and linked up with our U.S. Navy logistical assets from Commander, Task Force 73, which brings 7th Fleet naval forces to participate in 'Operation Damayan' in the Republic of the Philippines," said Rear Adm. Mark Montgomery, commander, GWSG. "Specifically, the aircraft carrier, USS George Washington and the cruisers USS Antietam and USS Cowpens will go to a position just off the eastern coast of Samar island in order to begin to assess the damage and provide logistical and emergency support to include medical and water supplies."

In preparation to provide relief support, the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) and embarked Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5 flew a number of fixed winged aircraft to Naval Air Facility Atsugi this morning creating more room on the carrier's flight deck for helicopter operations.

"One of the best capabilities the Strike Group brings is our 21 helicopters. These helicopters represent a good deal of lift to move emergency supplies around."

Also, today the Lewis and Clark-class dry cargo ship USNS Charles Drew (T-AKE-10) transported 11 pallets ashore - 8 pallets containing 1920 gallons of water and 3 pallets of food stores to Tacloban airfield. The Charles Drew is also moving several pallets of water to Guiuan airfield today.

"We have ships conducting a variety of missions. The USNS Bowditch (T-AGS 62) is surveying water conditions in the Leyte Gulf. USNS Charles Drew and USS Lassen have helicopters and supplies that are bringing emergency supplies into Tacloban, one of the hard hit areas. Emory S. Land also provides a good ship-to-shore hotel services to Tacloban. The George Washington, Cowpens and Antietam are off the east coast of Samar. A third area of focus is Ormoc, where we're sending USS Mustin right now," said Montgomery.

Currently, the George Washington Strike Group consists of Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73), Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruisers USS Cowpens (CG 63) and USS Antietam (CG 54), Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Lassen (DDG 82) and USS Mustin (DDG 89), and Clark-class dry cargo ship USNS Charles Drew (T-AKE-10), Pathfinder class oceanographic survey ship USNS Bowditch (T-AGS 62), and submarine tender USS Emory S. Land (AS-39).
 
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