Type 52C VS. Arleigh Burke

tphuang said:

The ka-28 are rubbish, but hopefully we can upgrade it to WZ-10 once it comes out. Also, China is currently develop HHQ-16 with the Russians, so the HHQ-9 will be upgraded.

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ka 28 is rubbish compared to what? wz-10 is an attack gunship. I'd say ka 28 is more suited for maritime operations and ASW than wz10. You need a large enough spacious chopper that carries enough of payload and most importantly enough fuel for long endurance flight if you're gonna use it on a ship.

the s-300 on the type 51c's were supposed to be a pretty capable missle. still, if the chinese could build a largewr 52c which could hold more missles and sensors, it would be more capable than the burke.

Totoro said:

ka 28 is rubbish compared to what? wz-10 is an attack gunship. I'd say ka 28 is more suited for maritime operations and ASW than wz10. You need a large enough spacious chopper that carries enough of payload and most importantly enough fuel for long endurance flight if you're gonna use it on a ship.

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compared to ka-52.

Again an attack gunship? What is with you and heavy attack platforms? A frigate/destroyer/cruiser based helicopter must be multipurpose, must be able to tow a sonar, carry torpedos, be able to ferry personell and supplies, must be able to perform search and rescue missions. Ka-28, however older than the choppers you mention, is more suited for those roles.

If you're gonna operate from a carrier of some sort with enough space to spare for attack platforms, then yeah, there could be use for wz10 or ka 52. Even that would be rather pointless in antiship battle, only if youre providing air support for an amphibious assault.

a shipborne attack helicopter is an interesting concept. it has amazing potential. imagine if the pla developed a naval atack version of the wz-10 that could fire small torpedoes, ground and ship attack rockets, and depth charges. then it refited the minsk and kiev to hold a wing of these choppers. that would give the plan amazing firepower, especially against small frigates and facs.

of course, destroyes would still use ka-28

The KDA Penguin (AGM-119) anti-ship missile is carried by naval helicopters:




But this ship comparison is a bit silly. IMO in future combat scenario whoever wins air superiority will be able to just dump air-launched missiles at the ship until it sinks. The ship is never going to be able to out-run an airplane.

True, air superiority over sea is as important today as it ever was. And shipborne attack helicopters are sort of useless in open waters. No sane person is going to send a lone frigate in the open sea, facing the enemy. Helis with penguin class antiship missiles are good for littoral control, like stopping an amphibious attack, preferably launched from the coast. They've no chance against frigates or larger ships equipped with medium range anti aircraft missiles.

But this ship comparison is a bit silly. IMO in future combat scenario whoever wins air superiority will be able to just dump air-launched missiles at the ship until it sinks. The ship is never going to be able to out-run an airplane

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Silly ? Sort of....Air superiorty? The USN wins for now hands down. I don't think the missle dumping sequence will work. I mean how many misiles do you want to fire to sink a single ship? Missiles are expensive. Even for the PLAN. You need to preserve them to fight another day.

A frigate/destroyer/cruiser based helicopter must be multipurpose, must be able to tow a sonar, carry torpedos, be able to ferry personell and supplies, must be able to perform search and rescue missions.

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Yes..so true, that's why the USN is upgrading it's Sea Hawks will be MH-60R's. Many MH-60R's Sea Hawks are now in service. Eventualy all 243 will be in service. A truely multi-purpose helicopter.

MIGleader said:

the s-300 on the type 51c's were supposed to be a pretty capable missle. still, if the chinese could build a largewr 52c which could hold more missles and sensors, it would be more capable than the burke.

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Not really, what the Burke has over the 052C is flexibility. All of 052C's vls launchers can only hold and lauch the S-300 sam.

EAch of the Burke 96 VLS cells are capable of holding the following weapons:
1 tomahawk, 1 harpoon, 1 standard SAM, 1 VLS antisubmarine rocket, and 4 ESSM in quad pack.

Magazine loadouts are determine by its mission.

it was already clear that the burke was superrior to the 52c in airdefence. china really should make a large 90 cell launche. i mean, the hq-9 is pretty samll, so future destryers may have more missles.