Type 52C VS. Arleigh Burke
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interesting article, then again this could be bia against china
China's North American spy mission pays off
By Judi McLeod
Wednesday, August 24, 2005
Toronto--The first spy mission payoff for the People's Republic of China was boldly displayed earlier this summer when China put its new missile destroyers out on public view.
China’s military disclosed that its two new warships are equipped with Aegis-style battle management systems–admittedly stolen from the United States.
Undergoing sea trials since July, the two Luyang II missile destroyers are Beijing’s first Aegis-type ships. Now that they have the American technology in hand, there will be more to come.
"U.S. intelligence officials say China stole the technology for the Aegis battle management system by setting up a front company in the United States that became a subcontractor for the Aegis system manufacturer." (East-Asia-Intel.com).
The Chinese also showed two other new guided missile destroyers, known as Luyang I.
Both types of destroyers are equipped with Russian military equipment and weapons, including missiles, as well as indigenous Chinese anti-ship missiles.
The four warships are part of China’s military buildup that U.S. officials say is designed for more than just a Taiwan conflict. The Chinese are building a deep-water navy able to project power--especially against the United States.
The Chinese military’s display of destroyers with stolen technology follows directly on the heels of the war games China has embarked upon with Russia.
China’s entrée into war games predates 9/11 by only one month. On August 11, 2001, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) entered maneuvers, considered the largest military exercises ever held in a 52-year history. The announced aim of this strategy was to "simulate" an invasion of the Taiwan-controlled Penghu Islands (Pescadores), halfway between the Fujian coast and Taiwan as the first stage of a major operation against Taiwan.
"These war games involved at least 100,000 elite PLA troops from units in Zhejiang, Fujian and Guangdong provinces; hundreds of fighters; dozens of naval vessels and a good number of air defense and 2nd artillery (Strategic Missile Troops) units." (NewsMax.com, August 2001).
Western military experts have long comforted themselves by pointing out the weakness and aging warships of the PLA Navy (PLAN).
Their comfort level took a nosedive on July 19, 2005.
Meantime media reports raising the alarm about the potential for danger because of the increasing number of Chinese spies operating as fronts in North American businesses seem to have failed.
The horse is now out of the barn.
o fried, about burke having stealth features... look at that big steel mast behind the bridge....
China's North American spy mission pays off
By Judi McLeod
Wednesday, August 24, 2005
Toronto--The first spy mission payoff for the People's Republic of China was boldly displayed earlier this summer when China put its new missile destroyers out on public view.
China’s military disclosed that its two new warships are equipped with Aegis-style battle management systems–admittedly stolen from the United States.
Undergoing sea trials since July, the two Luyang II missile destroyers are Beijing’s first Aegis-type ships. Now that they have the American technology in hand, there will be more to come.
"U.S. intelligence officials say China stole the technology for the Aegis battle management system by setting up a front company in the United States that became a subcontractor for the Aegis system manufacturer." (East-Asia-Intel.com).
The Chinese also showed two other new guided missile destroyers, known as Luyang I.
Both types of destroyers are equipped with Russian military equipment and weapons, including missiles, as well as indigenous Chinese anti-ship missiles.
The four warships are part of China’s military buildup that U.S. officials say is designed for more than just a Taiwan conflict. The Chinese are building a deep-water navy able to project power--especially against the United States.
The Chinese military’s display of destroyers with stolen technology follows directly on the heels of the war games China has embarked upon with Russia.
China’s entrée into war games predates 9/11 by only one month. On August 11, 2001, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) entered maneuvers, considered the largest military exercises ever held in a 52-year history. The announced aim of this strategy was to "simulate" an invasion of the Taiwan-controlled Penghu Islands (Pescadores), halfway between the Fujian coast and Taiwan as the first stage of a major operation against Taiwan.
"These war games involved at least 100,000 elite PLA troops from units in Zhejiang, Fujian and Guangdong provinces; hundreds of fighters; dozens of naval vessels and a good number of air defense and 2nd artillery (Strategic Missile Troops) units." (NewsMax.com, August 2001).
Western military experts have long comforted themselves by pointing out the weakness and aging warships of the PLA Navy (PLAN).
Their comfort level took a nosedive on July 19, 2005.
Meantime media reports raising the alarm about the potential for danger because of the increasing number of Chinese spies operating as fronts in North American businesses seem to have failed.
The horse is now out of the barn.
o fried, about burke having stealth features... look at that big steel mast behind the bridge....
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chinawhite
Banned Idiot
IDont please dont quote pictures
MIGleader said:
I'm sorry, can you explain that statement? I just don't see the logic there. The domes, as far as i know, arent there to deflect radar. They themselves are there to help the type 52c monitor its surroundings. Sure, from a very certain angle they may have a low RCS, but overall they're quite unstealthy.
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
those domes are not nessacerily perfect speres. a perfect sphere will deflect
radar from any direction, but a slightly distorded ellipsoid will throw the energy around. look at the pictures of the domes and you will see. perhaps the equipment underneath has a bigger signature than the domes.
radar from any direction, but a slightly distorded ellipsoid will throw the energy around. look at the pictures of the domes and you will see. perhaps the equipment underneath has a bigger signature than the domes.
You cant compare the 052C vs. the Arleigh Burke head on. They will never go agianst each other head on. You have to compare the specific roles that they individually perform. The 052C does have a 4 par in the same configuration as the spy1. However this does not by any means imply that it is a copy of the aegis. It does imply however, that they possibly fulfill simiilar role and are comparable. In terms of missile capacity, the Arleigh bruke blows the 052C. 96 VLS cells compared to 48 VLS cells. Then you have to compare the sm-2ER vs. the HQ-9. The info on the HQ-9 is unknown but most sources point the range to be ~100KM. The sm-2ERs range is 240KM. Soon the SM-2s will be complemented by the SM-3. For CIWS the Arleigh Burke FlightIIA carries the evolved sea sparrow. The Arleigh Burke Flight I carries the Phalanx. The 052C carries the Type 730 CIWS gun system. In the ASM mode the Burke carries the Harpoon and the Tomahawk ASM. The 052C carries an unknown missile but it is believed by many sources to be 200KM+ and supersonic. However the strike role in the USN is meant to be fulfulled by the naval airwing. In the ASW the Burke carries AN/SQQ-89 integrated ASW Suite which includes TACTAS and SH-60B LAMPS. There is no evideance that the 052C carries towed array. The 052C carries the ka-28. In each of the following roles that the DDGs are meant to fulfill, the Burke appears to come out ontop.
slackpiv said:
yeah, 52C definitely takes the most hit in the air defense. It needs to improve that a lot. I personally think the CIWS is pretty even on the ships. ASW for 52C:
"ANTI-SUBMARINE SYSTEMS
The ship is fitted with two triple 324mm Yu-7 (Mk-46 Mod 1) antisubmarine torpedo tubes. Additionally, the destroyer has four 18-barrel multiple rocket launchers (MRLs) installed on the front deck. The purpose of these MRLs remains unknown but is thought to be used to launch antisubmarine rockets, ground- attack rockets and/or decoys/chaffs."
I was under the impression that Burke also used MK-46. We don't know what kind of system 052C actually uses. The ka-28 are rubbish, but hopefully we can upgrade it to WZ-10 once it comes out. Also, China is currently develop HHQ-16 with the Russians, so the HHQ-9 will be upgraded.