Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

hkvaryag

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Anything from @伏尔戈星图 needs to be heavily cross-checked and filtered. While he does post interesting tidbits from primary sources, his interpretations of them are often questionable. We now have official confirmation the 'mystery' ship taking shape in Hudong's new facility on Changxing Island is in fact an LNG carrier.

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The “能力提升工程一期項目” doesn’t mean start building of a LNG ship, but something like the project of (technology) enhancement of LNG ships production procedures.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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So that means @by78 basically just took a look at the article screenshots, saw the words "LNG", and somehow deduce that the now 250+ meters hull at Hudong-Zhonghua's Changxin drydock is actually an LNG ship instead of something else?

No wonder it felt so odd - When you think about it, that 250+ meters hull at that drydock has been there since October 2023. If that hull does indeed belong to the LNG ship, then how would the article even mention that the hull module entered the drydock just more than one week ago (Jan 5)?

Look - While I have my reasons doubt @伏尔戈星图's claims and statements - It is likely that this time isn't on him. And until we see what the top deck of that 250+ meter-hull looks like, I'd prefer to keep on the lookout.
 
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by78

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One point is ... as explained by @Foolsball on Twitter, there are two vessels in the dock right now, the large dark and mysterious one we saw since last autumn and not since January the confirmed LNG-tanker.




Tell @Foolsball that he's looking at the wrong dry dock. He mistook a Jiangan shipyard's dry dock for Hudong shipyard's newly built dry dock no. 2, which is the one where our mystery ship is located.

Jiangan and Hudong shipyards have facilities next to each other on Changxing Island:
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Zooming in a bit to focus on Hudong's newly built facility:
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Below is a satellite image of Hudong dry dock no. 2 from ten days ago. There is only one ship in the dry dock and no sign of keel blocks for a second ship, not to mention there is really no space for a second ship to be built alongside the existing one:
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by78

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The “能力提升工程一期項目” doesn’t mean start building of a LNG ship, but something like the project of (technology) enhancement of LNG ships production procedures.

That image was posted to provide context and doesn't directly apply to the ship currently being built. Specifically, the text mentions that Hudong's new dry dock no. 2 and associated facilities located on Changxing Island provide Hudong with better capabilities to build LNG carriers compared to its old, space constrained facility located in the middle of Shanghai.
 

by78

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So that means @by78 basically just took a look at the article screenshots, saw the words "LNG", and somehow deduce that the now 250+ meters hull at Hudong-Zhonghua's Changxin drydock is actually an LNG ship instead of something else?

No wonder it felt so odd - When you think about it, that 250+ meters hull at that drydock has been there since October 2023. If that hull does indeed belong to the LNG ship, then how would the article even mention that the hull module entered the drydock just more than one week ago (Jan 5)?

Look - While I have my reasons doubt @伏尔戈星图's claims and statements - It is likely that this time isn't on him. And until we see what the top deck of that 250+ meter-hull looks like, I'd prefer to keep on the lookout.

I don't know how you could have possibly reached that conclusion when my original post contained a screenshot of an article (about a keel laying ceremony) that literally shows the mystery ship is an LNG carrier. The article clearly states the ship is presently being built in Hudong's dry dock located on Changxing Island. There is only one Hudong dry dock on Changxing Island, and that is Hudong dry dock no. 2, and the only ship in that dry dock (as confirmed by the latest satellite images from the last two weeks, seen
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) is the mystery ship that you believe to be the new Type 076. Also, as the satellite images clearly show, there is no space in the dry dock for another tanker to be built either next to or ahead of the mystery ship, not to mention there are no signs of keel blocks for a second ship anywhere in the dry dock even if there had been enough space.

Also, to add some context, a modern keel laying ceremony is held to give
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In other words, the mystery ship didn't just enter dry dock on the day of the keel laying ceremony; its modules have been there months before, and the ceremony was held merely to mark the beginning of the joining of the modules.

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Here's an
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from LNGPrime on the same keel laying ceremony:


"Chinese shipbuilder Hudong-Zhonghua has laid the keel for the second of six 174,000-cbm LNG carriers it is building for Japan’s MOL and compatriot CNOOC. Hudong-Zhonghua held the keel-laying ceremony for the vessel with a working name H1881A on January 5, according to a statement by CNOOC’s gas and power unit. CNOOC Gas & Power sad the vessel is scheduled to be delivered at the end of August 2025. Hudong-Zhonghua kicked off construction on this LNG carrier on
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The shipbuilder started building the first LNG vessel in this batch of six in August 2022 and launched this ship which will be named Greenergy Ocean in July last year. This vessel is expected to be delivered in May this year, CNOOC Gas & Power said.MOL, in a partnership with COSCO Shipping’s unit CSLNG, ordered these six vessels from Hudong-Zhonghua in January 2022 for about $1.17 billion. All of the ships will serve CNOOC Gas & Power under long-term charter deals. Part of Hudong-Zhonghua’s fifth-generation Changxeng series, the 299 meters long vessels will feature WinGD’s X-DF dual-fuel engines and GTT’s NO96 Super+ containment system.The Chinese shipbuilder will deliver all of the vessels until 2026."


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by78

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what about this (circled) - thats not a tanker-design; the tanker could be seen at the left hand View attachment 124031

Again, please be specific as to why you think that's not a tanker design. To my eyes, it looks like an exposed module near the bow of the ship, which explains its curvature and taper.

For reference, below is an image of an earlier example of the same LNG carrier design (174,000-cubic-meter capacity) being built at Hudong's older facility. You can clearly see the same exposed module (circled in black) on that ship.

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Sczepan

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How do you know that's not a tanker design? What are you referring to by "at the left hand"? Could you circle it?
The big red circle seems to be the tanker "at the left hand".
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The small black circles belong to another ship.
The overhangs at this height can be found on aircraft carriers with narrow hulls like CV 17 here. cv-17.jpg

Tankers have vertical sides:
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by78

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The big red circle seems to be the tanker "at the left hand".
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The small black circles belong to another ship.
The overhangs at this height can be found on aircraft carriers with narrow hulls like CV 17 here. View attachment 124088

Tankers have vertical sides:
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There is only one ship in the dry dock, as shown by very recent satellites images. Please refer to my previous post #505. The structure in the red circle is not in the dry dock but lies in an adjacent staging area (green box, image below) where modules are temporarily stored.

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As to the 'overhangs', they are from an exposed section located just behind the bow of the ship, as explained in post #506. The image below shows an earlier example of the same tanker design being assembled.

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hkvaryag

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There is only one ship in the dry dock, as shown by very recent satellites images. Please refer to my previous post #505. The structure in the red circle is not in the dry dock but lies in an adjacent staging area (green box, image below) where modules are temporarily stored.

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As to the 'overhangs', they are from an exposed section located just behind the bow of the ship, as explained in post #506. The image below shows an earlier example of the same tanker design being assembled.

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LNG need not have such structure.
 
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