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CasualObserver said:

Hopefully this is not a “subsystems development contract,” as I fear but more of a “delivery contract”; otherwise the engine delivery schedule won’t hold and there will be serious delays in the 2028-32 testing period.

I mean, for an engine that is supposed to begin full assembly and testing in 2028, they have only just recently entered the CDR phase. The TEI CEO (who is a realistic and consistent figure in the industry) says the CDR will take about 1.5 years with preliminary tests running in parallel, but that timeline will still be difficult to meet.

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Gökhan Uçar, deputy head of Turkish defense industry agency SSB, said that design of the TF35000 had reached a “significant level of maturity” and a contract for finalizing the design and producing prototypes for testing will be signed shortly.

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sunnymaxi said:

Sequ bro these 20 units will have F-110 Engines. so why not that new engine since 6 units already produced also same in dimension so easy to replace.

it seems TF110 is based on F-110 and TF35000 is the actual clean-sheet design.

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That "F110 clone" is supposedly being developed by the MoD R&D center, which has only a few hundred engineers at best and is also supposedly busy with projects such as a literal threshold-ICBM and a turboshaft engine...

How are so few people with such limited resources supposedly able to squeeze 33k lb dry and 42k lb wet thrust out of the original F110 in such a short timeframe? The F135 literally operates at a 1980 °C TIT to achieve thrust in that class. If everything they’re saying is true, and if they indeed have six engines ready for bench tests; then why have they been riding TEI so hard to push the TEI-TF35000 through on such a brutal schedule to keep up with Kaan's production schedule?

These idiots are ruining the hard-earned reputation of the Turkish military industry...

I remember statements where made under the previous tenure of the head of SSB saying they don't have the means for two engine projects for the Kaan. In this light, the TF35000 is undoubtedly the 1st one while the project that led to the Güchan functions as a stop-gap/contingency.

Aselsan introduces Fulmar 500-A multifunctional search radar:

FULMAR 500-A is quite a large radar with an aperture of 30% (~3800cm2) larger than that of the Murad 100-A (~2900cm2). Hence the long range capability with an instrumented range of 600km!

SlothmanAllen said:

Is this what you are referring to?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051646959132229791

i honestly don’t have an answer to your question, but I will add another one though. Why does it use liquid fuel? Wouldn’t a solid fuel system be much more ideal for an ICBM (or any missile for that matter)?

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Both have their advantages. Liquid allows better precision, mid-flight throttling, and more importantly, more efficiency for MIRV payloads.

CasualObserver said:

That "F110 clone" is supposedly being developed by the MoD R&D center, which has only a few hundred engineers at best and is also supposedly busy with projects such as a literal threshold-ICBM and a turboshaft engine...

How are so few people with such limited resources supposedly able to squeeze 33k lb dry and 42k lb wet thrust out of the original F110 in such a short timeframe? The F135 literally operates at a 1980 °C TIT to achieve thrust in that class. If everything they’re saying is true, and if they indeed have six engines ready for bench tests; then why have they been riding TEI so hard to push the TEI-TF35000 through on such a brutal schedule to keep up with Kaan's production schedule?

These idiots are ruining the hard-earned reputation of the Turkish military industry...

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@sequ Let’s hear from those who actually attended the SAHA Expo or are involved with MoD R&D:

The very same one. They don't write everything that they say in the briefs; it happens all the time. If you're curious, they held the press brief on the second floor, and it took nearly an hour. Admiral Aktürk openly said the engines are not designed to be used on any type of aircraft, and they don't have plans for serial production. It's not feasible to do it both economically and technically. He literally said "not feasible" btw (fizibil değil). The missile is also not real. It's a proof-of-concept that demonstrates the vision of MoD. I asked about the video as well. He said it was an unfortunate incident (maalesef talihsiz bir durum). And to give an example of what I said about them not writing everything. Sometimes, press members don't ask the questions they expect, so Admiral Aktürk scolds us a little jokingly and answers questions that we forget to ask.

Look, we already derailed this thread to oblivion. After Recep Tayyip Erdogan's behaviour today, we can clearly see what's right and what's not. He didn't visit ARGE Center. He visited Roketsan and signed Tayfun Blok4. He visited TEI and got briefed about TF35000. He didn't mention anything about the other things. I've been at SAHA for four days now, and people were quite furious, especially at SSB. I really believe that there will be consequences to this incident.

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I went to the fair as press, and we were told that no one was aware of this situation...

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I was at SAHA today, and the TEI team was having a meltdown.

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It's time to put an end to this discussion...

CasualObserver said:

the earliest projected production date for the TF6000/TF10000 is 2028.

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CasualObserver said:

In any case, the TF10000 of the Kızılelma and ANKA-3 (TF6000) will be in production by then

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I’ve got fantastic news, y’all

Prof. Dr. Mahmut Akşit at 08.44: We have reached 5910 lb at test with TF6000, more than currently used imported ones. That is not even our final configuration engine, we will reach higher than 5910. End of this year or beginning of the next year, engines will be send to the manufacturers for flying tests.

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(There’s definitely a delay with the afterburning TF6000, aka TF10000, though!) Still, at least the aircraft can keep rolling out of production lines in 2028/29!

Some nice Tolun production footage (part of an hour long interview):

CEO of Baykar gave an interview to AA:

- We are manufacturing the Bayraktar TB2's engine domestically and are currently establishing the mass production line; we will produce thousands (1000) per year.

- We are conducting turbofan engine development activities within Baykar, allocating our own resources to engine manufacturing. Of course, we still have a long way to go, but we are taking very important steps.

- The Fergani space program, turbofan engine development, and loitering munition projects are progressing simultaneously.

- Robotic production lines are being established in line with the target of producing tens of thousands of loitering munitions annually.

- Critical components, including the engines used in these systems, are being developed domestically by BAYKAR.

- The first serial deliveries for Kizilelma are targeted to be made within 2026, with production capacity planned to double in 2027.

Greek media is crying about the fact that Spain wants 20 Kaan. Strangely enough, Greek media has a good track record when it comes to certain Turkish defence and foreign affairs.