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Dizasta1

Dizasta1

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What I don't get is Turkey advertising it's so-called 5th-Generation fighter, after having been kicked out of the Joint-Strike Fighter program and cancelled deliveries of the F-35s. Turkey is buying up spare parts for its huge F-16 fleet, in anticipation of America expanding it's punishment on Turkey for being adamant about buying S-400s. Then how in the world does Turkey think it would be able to develop their 5th-Generation fighter without any engines? I mean if they're thinking that European Union would be able to collaborate with them, then they're more naive than I thought previously. The E.U has shown clear evidence that it cannot exercize independent foreign policy, as it gets stamped down by U.S under the "NATO" treaty. So what is Turkey hoping to accomplish here? It is in way too deep with U.S arms to ever hope to get out of any U.S sanctions or exercize it's own foreign policy. As far as I am concerned, if Turkey follows through on it's S-400 procurement. Then it will face further repercussions, severe ones, from the U.S, without a doubt.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Ignoring the Political parts of your post.
The Turkish objective is as with just about all of there programs. Technology share until indigenous production.
The Prototype of TF-X is supposed to mount a pair GE F110 series engines. Objectively they want a new engine developed by their Kale group and Rolls Royce. But that already is in hot water.

This could become a replication of previous Engine issues for other programs. They seem to at some level want to sell every new product abroad as such having any foreign made components is a major handicap.
At some level in negotiations they have to say but you have to call this third party for these parts. It doesn’t matter if it’s American, British, French, German, Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian, Israeli, South African, Swedish, Japanese, South Korean. At some point they have to deal with the potential of a costumer being turned away because whoever makes the parts says “No”.
 
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gelgoog

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I think the British engine would have been the better option. But yes EU (UK definitively included) tendencies to subordinate to US foreign policy are an issue. Long gone are the days the French would have an independent foreign policy. Or the British for that matter. The Germans we already know how it is. Unfortunately one cannot ignore the political aspect in projects like this.

I guess they can go Russian. But it is definitively an issue. I would hope the rest of NATO treated Turkey like the member that they are however.
I do not like Erdogan either but NATO needs to decide if keeping its relationship with Turkey supersedes any issues they personally have with Erdogan. I think it should but I am not in charge. With regards to the S-400 sale I think the US is being extremely paranoid and/or using it as an excuse to impose sanctions on Russian arms sales.

If they are that concerned about the Russian electronics and software perhaps Turkey should go back to South Korea again and get the KM-SAM command and control hardware. In fact that should have been proposed to the Turks to begin with. I think another option would have been Europe licensing parts of the Aster to Turkey as in the SAMP/T.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It should be pointed out that as yet the only actions against Turkey in regards to S400 are blocking sale/Transfer of F35. I know many here want to also point at India for the same but India isn’t buying F35.
 
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gelgoog

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Sure but the US's attitude against competitive sales by Russia of systems like the S-400 even in non-NATO countries like India should make them pause when considering either the F-16 or F-18 sales which were supposed to happen.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The worry with S400 has been that the Russians may be able to access the system and use the regular flights of F35 in and around S400 to refine there ability to track other F35 and F22.
With F16 and FA18 ( I have noticed some like to Use F18 as a short hand however the version on offer is not Hornet but Super Hornet, which is in reality a completely different aircraft and never sported F18) it’s less an issue in fact almost a none issue.
 
Dizasta1

Dizasta1

Senior Member
gelgoog said:
I think the British engine would have been the better option. But yes EU (UK definitively included) tendencies to subordinate to US foreign policy are an issue. Long gone are the days the French would have an independent foreign policy. Or the British for that matter. The Germans we already know how it is. Unfortunately one cannot ignore the political aspect in projects like this.

I guess they can go Russian. But it is definitively an issue. I would hope the rest of NATO treated Turkey like the member that they are however.
I do not like Erdogan either but NATO needs to decide if keeping its relationship with Turkey supersedes any issues they personally have with Erdogan. I think it should but I am not in charge. With regards to the S-400 sale I think the US is being extremely paranoid and/or using it as an excuse to impose sanctions on Russian arms sales.

If they are that concerned about the Russian electronics and software perhaps Turkey should go back to South Korea again and get the KM-SAM command and control hardware. In fact that should have been proposed to the Turks to begin with. I think another option would have been Europe licensing parts of the Aster to Turkey as in the SAMP/T.
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I still think a joint-venture between Russia, China and Turkey for engine development would be ideal. If possible, even Pakistan would join, provided such a joint-venture actually transpires, and whether Pakistan is permitted to join in.
 
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Anatolian Eagle 2019.

Anatolian Eagle is a Turkish-led flying training exercise with multinational participation per Turkey's invitation.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=366885560682916

The Anatolian Eagle Training, which was conducted at Konya 3rd Main Jet Base Command between 17-28 June, was completed mainly in a generic scenario where the operation environment going from simple to difficult was revived.

International Anatolian Eagle Training; to increase the training levels of the pilots, air defense personnel and controllers for the operation in a simulated real operation environment, to test and develop joint and combined operational procedures, to minimize losses in real operation conditions and to maximize mission efficiency; It is the national and / or international training held at the Anatolian Eagle Training Center (Konya) every year.

Participating Countries/Assets:

Turkish Air Forces; F-4E 2020, F-16, KC 135 Tanker, CN-235, AS-532 (Helicopter), C-130, E-7T HIK,
Turkish Navy; 2 frigates and 1 assault boat,
USA; 6 F-15E aircraft,
Azerbaijan; 3 active observers,
Italy; 3 AMX aircraft,
Train; 1 C-17, 1 C-130 aircraft,
NATO; 1 E-3A aircraft,
Pakistan; 5 JF-17,
Jordan; 3 F-16 aircraft
 
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